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So I think I've made a decision. It's going to be the Sigma 18-50mm for me. I popped into the Leica store to have a first hand look at the 18-56mm and can confirm the one I was looking at was indeed plastic, confirmed by staff there to be so - everything but glass made in Japan by Panasonic apparently.

Also, when the person that's meant to be selling it to you tells you don't get it... Hahahaha.

Yeah, so it'll be the Sigma for me.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts and opinions though. It's been enlightening to also see what some people focus on (no pin intended) when they go about choosing a lens.

Thanks so much, everyone!

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23 minutes ago, Sjz said:

Make sure you post the results when you get it 🙂 

Will do! If I'm getting the Sigma, I'm not going to be in any rush to try and get it since I'll probably get it new, so will pop my m-mounts on the TL to have a play. Slow things down a bit. I have to chase after the shot for my professional photojournalism, so it'll be nice to just slow things right down, manual focus, etc.

But will definitely get some Sigma 18-50mm shots to show you peeps when I get it!

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25 minutes ago, Life By Stills said:

Will do! If I'm getting the Sigma, I'm not going to be in any rush to try and get it since I'll probably get it new, so will pop my m-mounts on the TL to have a play. Slow things down a bit. I have to chase after the shot for my professional photojournalism, so it'll be nice to just slow things right down, manual focus, etc.

But will definitely get some Sigma 18-50mm shots to show you peeps when I get it!

Looking forward to it

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Having read this thread, I decided to get the Sigma Lens. I originally had the Leica Xvario for many years but traded it in for the CL when it arrived. So the Sigma 18-50 arrived today and its like having the Xvario again. Except that this lens is 2.8 so I don't need to use an add on closeup lens, great!

 

First photos today in the sunshine.

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Close up with TL 18-56mm in body DNG 1.7x crop (equivalent to 150mm)

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Fun to play with DoF on the Sigma (CL, f/2.8 & f/9).


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On 2/23/2022 at 8:26 PM, Life By Stills said:

So I think I've made a decision. It's going to be the Sigma 18-50mm for me. I popped into the Leica store to have a first hand look at the 18-56mm and can confirm the one I was looking at was indeed plastic, confirmed by staff there to be so - everything but glass made in Japan by Panasonic apparently.

I think that you found the first fake 18-56. It must be worth a mint. My 18-56 is showing slight silvering through the anodizing on the edges of the focus and zoom rings. :lol: BTW Leica has stated categorically that the TL lenses are NOT made by Panasonic... And are clearly marked "made in Japan", like Sigma...

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On 3/18/2022 at 12:25 AM, jaapv said:

I think that you found the first fake 18-56. It must be worth a mint. My 18-56 is showing slight silvering through the anodizing on the edges of the focus and zoom rings. :lol: BTW Leica has stated categorically that the TL lenses are NOT made by Panasonic... And are clearly marked "made in Japan", like Sigma...

I'll ask the staff at the Leica store again then.

This was what I was told by the staff at an actual Leica store, so would have thought they wouldn't have got that so terribly wrong! I'm popping in to pick up an M10-R on Monday. If I remember will ask them about the 18-56mm and see what they say this time.

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Nothing wrong with Sigma lenses, I have a few pretty good ones. As for the Leica, the mount, outer barrel and focus/aperture rings are metal, the extending bit is a composite material with a metal front. 

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I'd just posted a new thread (peripherally about this very topic) but this thread alone has (nearly) sold me on the Sigma. Eject price from the equation and it's still a close call. Bring price back in and the answer becomes rather simple. I think. A demo may still be necessary.

FWIW, I thought that the arguments *for* the Leica were more nebulous; struggling to express concrete evidence, with unnecessarily defensiveness rhetoric. And that first attack out-of-the-gate about cliches was odd. A red flag. When I see that, it often indicates brute force justification for a person's choice as a consumer. Defending the stash, so to speak, and not necessarily a balanced perspective. With the Sigma, owners/users seemed to have nothing to prove, letting the data and images speak for themselves, not caring which the OP chooses, only looking to advise based upon experience. That gave me confidence in the Sigma.

But again, a demo is probably necessary.

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On 4/25/2022 at 2:08 AM, elambo said:

.... With the Sigma, owners/users seemed to have nothing to prove, letting the data and images speak for themselves, not caring which the OP chooses, only looking to advise based upon experience. That gave me confidence in the Sigma....

 

The Sigma's are excellent. When I need to travel light, this APS-C lens is a compact, lightweight alternative to my VE24-90mm, it delivers excellent results & a very usable 20MP file on the SL2. 

Crab diver, Benguerra Island Mozambique  -SL2 & Sigma 18-50mm DC DN f2.8  

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Bought the Sigma. 


I have the TL 11-23 but having broken my first copy (rolled off a bed and fell c 2’ onto a carpeted floor in Monument Valley - see a previous thread) I got to see that although the outside might be a thin anodised aluminium casing, the innards are just plastic like most AF lenses.

 

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