tightsqueez Posted February 3, 2022 Share #21 Posted February 3, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) You are setting yourself up for failure believing this lens will be sharp at any wide aperture in the corners. Even the 35 Lux FLE is soft. Your lens looks normal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Al404 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share #22 Posted February 3, 2022 is not the corner but the side, I know that is not "perfect" but I did expect something better at f2.8 probabile it perfume better a closer distance, it can give bubble bokeh ( that I like ) but at f1.4 it has this glow that I don't really like at f1.8 is better not sure if Zeiss 35mm f2 would be a better lens for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiphopopotamus Posted February 3, 2022 Share #23 Posted February 3, 2022 I would urge you not to judge the whole VM line based on an experience with one bad lens - there are many here that swear by them, especially in recent years. I myself bought a Bessa T purely to use with my increasing selection of great VM lenses. The VM 35 1.4 is a favourite lens of mine precisely because of what it does at 1.4. Definitely a lens for creativity, not necessarily accuracy. But it is also quite sharp throughout most of the rest of the aperture range, whilst being very compact, so it can serve a few different purposes at once. That being said, it's definitely not the lens to get if you're looking for crushing accuracy across all apertures. Without going to the price levels of the APO-Summicron (£6.7k here in the UK), you may want to stay in the Voigtlander stable and have a look at the VM 35mm APO-Lanthar f2 if ultimate performance (in an accuracy sense) is what you're looking for. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al404 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share #24 Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 35mm APO is too big for my test if I have to choose between a "big" and a less sharp I choose the second not sure how much better is 35mm Ultron f2 and how it compares to Zeiss 35mm f2 unfortunately this thing made me think about service and I'm so mad... I can't think that if I have an issue with a lens I have to wait 3 mouths now the lens is under warranty what about if I drop it, should I pay shipping to Japan and back? they look more like disposable lens Edited February 3, 2022 by Al404 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al404 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share #25 Posted February 3, 2022 Just got back the answer about Zeiss... service is in Cosina ( Japan ) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted February 3, 2022 Share #26 Posted February 3, 2022 On 2/2/2022 at 6:12 AM, Al404 said: Just got a mount issue with my 28mm bought this summer that I discover few days ago because I never tested on a Leica M camera before, they need to change the mount and the lens from Italy has to go to Germany and then to Japan and back... all this require 2/3 months on a new lens. Since I also ask for a paid service at a really experience shop and they suggest me to go with official assistance because if they need a spare they can't have it I now questioning my self on my lens Just got a new VM 35mm f1.4 Nokton MC II and I'm still in return window, I would like to know what other option I can have in new and used makes under 1000€ for a compact lens I guess the Zeiss 35mm f2 may be the closest The Voigtlander 35 APO is the best 35mm for that price, but it is a bit long compared to other more compact lenses. I just tried the Zeiss ZM 50 f/2, and while it was very sharp, I was not impressed with the color/contrast when compared to the latest lenses from Voigtlander. I have not tried any other Zeiss ZM lenses. I've read the new Voigtlander 28mm f/2 Ultron II is an excellent compact lens: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 3, 2022 Share #27 Posted February 3, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Al404 said: ... unfortunately this thing made me think about service and I'm so mad... I can't think that if I have an issue with a lens I have to wait 3 mouths now the lens is under warranty what about if I drop it, should I pay shipping to Japan and back? they look more like disposable lens I'm not sure how or why you can be so mad... you are worried that if you damage the lens out of warranty that it is then the fault of the mfg if they take a long time to repair it? Once it is out of warranty, you can send it anywhere. There are also lots of other things to worry about with lens performance if you are splitting hairs. Things like field curvature. Anyway, I have the Zeiss and the Leica and am extremely happy with the Voigtlander. Just look at the design parameters they are working with - the tiny size! You expected optical perfection - whatever that is - with a lens this small and fast? Zeiss and Voigtlander will both have to go to Japan for manufacturer service. Leica will go to Germany. Have you looked into how long Leica takes to service gear? They can run into months too. Does that make Leica disposable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted February 3, 2022 Share #28 Posted February 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, Huss said: Once it is out of warranty, you can send it anywhere. You can also do that even if under warranty - at your own cost. When I found my new Zeiss 35 needed focus calibration I sent it to DAG instead of Zeiss. The service charge was worth using someone I trusted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al404 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share #29 Posted February 3, 2022 I did contact an experienced service that also sell used Leica gear and they advised me not to have it done by them because if once changed the mount they needed a spare part they didn't have it, only Cosina in Japan has them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarberShop Posted February 3, 2022 Share #30 Posted February 3, 2022 You can get the Voigtlander 35mm f2 Ultron or the f1.7 Ultron (discontinued). Both are much sharper than the 1.4 Classic. I personally have the f1.4 as my main lens but using it at f1.4 is definitely for "special" occasions. At f2 and higher though, it is sharp enough. Another tip I have for you is to increase the "texture" slider in Lightroom when shooting it at f1.4. The result is much nicer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexGig0 Posted February 3, 2022 Share #31 Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, armadsen said: I was under the impression (without really knowing) that all of the current Zeiss ZM lenses were made by Cosina. Which one isn't? The Zeiss 15mm f/2.8 Distagon ZM T* is made in Germany. It is uncommon, in the digital era, as it is said to cause color shifts, due to ray angle issues. It is also known for having much complex distortion; barrel in the center, and pincushion at the edges. It is also notable for NOT being rangefinder coupled, according to at least one source, Its heavy vignetting is so notable, that it comes with a threaded filter to correct the vignette. So, yes, of course, I would like to acquire one. 😉 No hurry, but, sooner or later. B&H, in NYC, usually has them in stock: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/361526-REG/Zeiss_1457_856_15mm_f_2_8_ZM_Lens.html Only $4750 US, but, not everyone else, in one’s residential block, will have one. One other Zeiss ZM lens that had been made in Germany, in the past, was an 85mm f/2 ZM, but it was discontinued, and is now a collector’s item. Edited February 3, 2022 by RexGig0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted February 3, 2022 Share #32 Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, BarberShop said: You can get the f1.7 Ultron (discontinued). Maybe, the last copy (in silver) still in stock. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1182786-REG/voigtlander_ba327a_vm_35mm_f_1_7_ultron.html?sts=pi&pim=Y 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 3, 2022 Share #33 Posted February 3, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Al404 said: I did contact an experienced service that also sell used Leica gear and they advised me not to have it done by them because if once changed the mount they needed a spare part they didn't have it, only Cosina in Japan has them. So what you are saying is you will not buy any Zeiss or Voigtlander lenses, seeing all the parts come from Cosina. Edited February 3, 2022 by Huss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huss Posted February 3, 2022 Share #34 Posted February 3, 2022 5 hours ago, Al404 said: Just got back the answer about Zeiss... service is in Cosina ( Japan ) So Zeiss is also disposable. If you think Voigtlander is because it needs to be serviced by Cosina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergiomarried Posted February 3, 2022 Share #35 Posted February 3, 2022 I love this 35mm f1.4 Nokton v2 so much that I own 2 of them, one for each of my respective Leica M10M and M240. They perform amazingly, I can’t simply justify in any possible way not using these great tools… I’m very demanding on my tools and these are used for professional paid gigs. My 50mm Lux Asph. barely gets any chance… I’m seriously thinking to add the new 28mm Ultron v2 or 21mm 3.5 Voigt, they must be fantastic for sure! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted February 4, 2022 Share #36 Posted February 4, 2022 22 hours ago, sergiomarried said: I love this 35mm f1.4 Nokton v2 so much that I own 2 of them, one for each of my respective Leica M10M and M240. They perform amazingly, I can’t simply justify in any possible way not using these great tools… I’m very demanding on my tools and these are used for professional paid gigs. My 50mm Lux Asph. barely gets any chance… I’m seriously thinking to add the new 28mm Ultron v2 or 21mm 3.5 Voigt, they must be fantastic for sure! Not sure if it matters to you, but my CV 21 3.5 would focus past infinity on my M10-R, whereas all the other CV and Leica lenses I have had will hit infinity at the hard stop. Great little lens, though, especially at closer distances. The square hood for it is really huge, though – I had to store it separately from the lens in my camera bag. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergiomarried Posted February 5, 2022 Share #37 Posted February 5, 2022 4 hours ago, hdmesa said: Not sure if it matters to you, but my CV 21 3.5 would focus past infinity on my M10-R, whereas all the other CV and Leica lenses I have had will hit infinity at the hard stop. Great little lens, though, especially at closer distances. The square hood for it is really huge, though – I had to store it separately from the lens in my camera bag. Is that the 21 f3.5 v2 as well that came out last year? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestSLIsALeicaflex Posted February 5, 2022 Share #38 Posted February 5, 2022 On 2/3/2022 at 1:16 AM, Al404 said: in some occasion I can see a glow, everything gets really soft at f1.4 I suspect that image is sharper only at closer distance The Voigtlander 35mm 1.4 Nokton wasn't designed to be a perfect lens in the aspherical sense. It was designed to be a slightly "better" version of the pre-asph Summilux, with similar warts, w/o some of the limitations. Some people like it, they call that character. If you want a modern, clean (ie, "better"), look at their Ultron II. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBestSLIsALeicaflex Posted February 5, 2022 Share #39 Posted February 5, 2022 On 2/3/2022 at 4:30 PM, sergiomarried said: I love this 35mm f1.4 Nokton v2 so much that I own 2 of them, one for each of my respective Leica M10M and M240. They perform amazingly, I can’t simply justify in any possible way not using these great tools… I’m very demanding on my tools and these are used for professional paid gigs. My 50mm Lux Asph. barely gets any chance… I’m seriously thinking to add the new 28mm Ultron v2 or 21mm 3.5 Voigt, they must be fantastic for sure! I'm thinking about adding a single coated version to the multi-coat I own. Don't suspect I'll see much difference, modern coating are so good, but it's a nice, character lens. One of my faves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted February 5, 2022 Share #40 Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, sergiomarried said: Is that the 21 f3.5 v2 as well that came out last year? I had the one from last year with the ridged focus ring and the metal “stick” instead of the more traditional focus tab. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1456128-REG/voigtlander_ba350b_color_skopar_21mm_f_3_5_aspherical.html Edited February 5, 2022 by hdmesa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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