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Survey: Would you buy an EVF only camera with an M mount?  

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  1. 1. Should Leica make a manual focus EVF camera?

    • Absolutely. I'm second in line after Flash.
      191
    • Never! It's the work of the Devil.
      77
    • Hmmm? Not sure. I'd want to see it first.
      106
    • I want one of each. M11 and this new wonder camera!
      30
    • Not for me but I'd be happy if it exists.
      61
    • Does it come in Monochrom?
      8

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Rangefinder is still the best system ever made for manual focus. Much better than an SLR, much better than an EVF, much better than anything else out there. That’s the reason why I use Leica, because

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It's sad to see how many users buy into the M system but don't understand the working ethos of it. The M is, and should always be, about the OVF and rangefinder focusing. It's what makes it unique, es

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Employing M-lenses on my SL I'd prefer a M-camera with SL... genes. The sensor look of SL, SL2, M10 in my eyes is more pleasing than the look of SL2-S and M11,- that being a very individual and by no way objective statement. The camera I envision could be something like a FF Leica CL with either L-mount plus an appropriate M-adapter or, if it's not possible to adjust the sensor microlenses at the same time for L- and M-lenses, a FF CL equipped with M-mount.

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6 minutes ago, run said:

Employing M-lenses on my SL I'd prefer a M-camera with SL... genes. The sensor look of SL, SL2, M10 in my eyes is more pleasing than the look of SL2-S and M11,- that being a very individual and by no way objective statement. The camera I envision could be something like a FF Leica CL with either L-mount plus an appropriate M-adapter or, if it's not possible to adjust the sensor microlenses at the same time for L- and M-lenses, a FF CL equipped with M-mount.

So, with your L mount, your EVF-M would be autofocus?

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I want (or need) no more or less than the M10R offers in an M digital camera. It’s perfection. Anything more is too much of a departure from what makes using a digital Leica M rangefinder such a challenge. And all those challenges lead to creativity. It’s the reason why I shoot an M and not a Sony/Canon/Fuji/Nikon. Otherwise I would just shoot those and get manual lenses. 

A better rangefinder? Sure. That could be something. But take it out and replace it with an EVF? No thank you. 

Talk of more and more specs when it comes to Leica M cameras makes me a bit sad to be honest. Never thought Leica M shooters would care about such BS. I thought it was just Sony and Fuji guys. Always looking for the next thing. Everything is disposable. 

As soon as you look through an EVF you’re disconnected from what it is that you’re shooting. Completely the opposite of shooting with an M. You’re not really creating and imagining in the moment. You’re just taking what you see on a tiny monitor. Just get one of the many mirrorless cameras that exist. 

with so many aides, why would you want manual focus? At that point just get autofocus also. Why deal with manually focusing anything then? I don’t get it. 

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Count me in for an M Mount EVF camera in the smallest form factor possible...but only if performance with M lenses is equal to the M11. Lose the RF mechanism, but let the focus adjustment trigger focus zoom similar to the M11. No IBIS needed, but it would have to be 50mp or more. 

The A1 sensor would be ideal, especially if the resulting camera had the same or similar capabilities as an A1 (fast frame rate, large buffer, no rolling shutter, 8K video, etc). Probably not going to happen though. 

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4 hours ago, bcaslis said:

My biggest desire for an EVF is to check exposure and for focus confirmation.

But then it’s no longer a rangefinder camera. The Leica M demands more from the photographer. What you want can be done by any general purpose camera. The best thing for that is an auto focus mirrorless camera.  

it reads like a lot of people are shooting the M just to show off, for looks, for the cachet and not because a Rangefinder camera is the best tool to create their images. 

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2 hours ago, venom said:

a Rangefinder camera is the best tool to create their images.

A rangefinder is the best tool to create images where a rangefinder camera is useable. Only a fool would insist in using a rangefinder camera where it's not suitable.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to want a rangefinder where appropriate and to use another camera where not. I also think it perfectly reasonable to wish for a camera with the same sensor stack and the same lenses as the rangefinder camera.

Do people here really always take the same kind of picture whenever they take photographs?

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1 hour ago, pop said:

I think it's perfectly reasonable to want a rangefinder where appropriate and to use another camera where not.

It is reasonable. If Leica wants to create an EVF mirrorless camera that looks like an M then that’s great. Fuji does it. 

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3 hours ago, venom said:

[...] But then it’s no longer a rangefinder camera [...]

The M11 is a rangefinder camera in RF mode and a mirrorless camera in LV mode actually. One can use it in the mode they prefer or even in both modes if they see fit. Pre-focus in RF mode and nail focus in LV mode for instance, or vice versa. The M11 has no competitor in that.
Edit: The EVF-M would just be an M11 sans RF mode for those who prefer using their M lenses in LV mode, The way i imagine it it's as simple as that.

 

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7 minutes ago, lct said:

It is a rangefinder camera in RF mode and a mirrorless camera in LV mode actually. One can use it in the mode they prefer or even in both modes if they see fit. Pre-focus in RF mode and nail focus in LV mode for instance, or vice versa. The M11 has no competitor in that.

What I meant was, If you yank the rangefinder out of an M and exchange it for an EVF then it is no longer a rangefinder camera. 

Regardless if using LV or RF, a digital Leica M is a mirrorless camera. 

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2 minutes ago, venom said:

What I meant was, If you yank the rangefinder out of an M and exchange it for an EVF then it is no longer a rangefinder camera. 

If it has no rangefinder it is indeed not what one calls a "rangefinder camera". But it is also, and first of all for some people, an M-mount camera. If you own a lot of M lenses or if you prefer them for whatever reason, you may wish to use them in LV mode only if you see fit. The EVF-M would allow such a freedom actually: not a RF camera any more but an M-mount mirrorless camera.

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It is reasonable. If Leica wants to create an EVF mirrorless camera that looks like an M then that’s great. Fuji does it. 

The EVF-M would be a sort of full frame Fuji camera needing no adapter to fit M lenses. I'd agree with that except that it would not be Leica doing like Fuji but Leica doing like Leica when they used to make M cameras with no rangefinder.

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13 minutes ago, Erato said:

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It’s crazy to see the huge list of “wants” for specs on the next Leica M camera. How many things do you need to take a picture. Jesus Christ 😅

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51 minutes ago, venom said:

It’s crazy to see the huge list of “wants” for specs on the next Leica M camera. How many things do you need to take a picture. Jesus Christ 😅

Well, seen that way, the rangefinder is the first thing that can go. It's not "needed to take a picture" at all. The camera takes pictures perfectly well without any rangefinder. The same applies, of course, to the display and the EVF socket. The tripod socket: away with it. The removable storage card. The frameline selector. There must be more parts which the camera does not need to take a picture.

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As recalled above, Leica said that if there were sufficient demand, they would consider producing an "M with EVF". Asked how many they would need to sell in order to make such a decision, Stefan Daniel estimated “a couple of thousand”.
https://www.macfilos.com/2022/10/18/leicas-stefan-daniel-on-the-retirement-of-the-leica-cl-and-some-hints-for-the-future/#comments

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