Return brand new M10-R black paint for M11?

[SrMi]

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8 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Link?

Jeff

At 8:09:

So we didn't change a lot on the range finder itself. Of course minor improvements but the magnification and the principle remains the same.

 

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[Jeff S]

1 minute ago, SrMi said:

At 8:09:

So we didn't change a lot on the range finder itself. Of course minor improvements but the magnification and the principle remains the same.

 

Thanks… the quote “ don’t fix it if it ain’t broken” is the part that I remembered.  In any event, with only minor improvements, I’d hardly put this on a list as Artin did to justify buying an M11, or selling an M10-R, black paint or otherwise.  

Jeff

[SrMi]

Just now, Jeff S said:

Thanks… the quote “ don’t fix it if it ain’t broken” is the part that I remembered.  In any event, with only minor improvements, I’d hardly put this on a list as Artin did to justify buying an M11, or selling an M10-R, black paint or otherwise.  

Jeff

Some changes are not noticeable. The increased lag and the rangefinder improvements are probably those changes. 

[Jeff S]

And unlike prior M iterations where RF improvements were marketed at launch,  this aspect of the M11 is buried in a few interviews, and rarely referenced in any major reviews.

Jeff

[SrMi]

Just now, Jeff S said:

And unlike prior M iterations where RF improvements were marketed at launch,  this aspect of the M11 is buried in a few interviews, and rarely referenced in any major reviews.

Jeff

In one of the representations Leica said that the big improvement in rangefinder came in with M10 cameras.

[dkmoore]

Well, if they did anything to the rangefinder it didn’t help me. My M11 just went back to Leica today because it is front focusing and Leica USA currently will not take in any M11 cameras, even for rangefinder adjustement. Fingers crossed my replacement comes soon. 

[Jeff S]

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32 minutes ago, SrMi said:

In one of the representations Leica said that the big improvement in rangefinder came in with M10 cameras.

Exactly my point.

Jeff

[glenerrolrd]

3 hours ago, charlesphoto99 said:

As so did you with the M11. 

One thing you forgot:

M11 if you like magenta tinged images

Is there another thread ..speaking to the magenta tint ? I noticed this right away with the M11 early tests .  I am working on my own camera profile now with the color charts and my M11. 

[digitalfx]

4 minutes ago, glenerrolrd said:

Is there another thread ..speaking to the magenta tint ? I noticed this right away with the M11 early tests .  I am working on my own camera profile now with the color charts and my M11. 

The Adobe Profile hasn't been released yet...should be soon. The one currently inAdobe is not ideal

C1 just released theirs yesterday

 

[Daedalus2000]

4 hours ago, Jacobjuul said:

Last week I purchased a brand new M10-R BP since I thought it would take a long wait before we would actually be able to buy the M11 (going by other brands like Nikon). 

To my surprise the M11 seems readily available at my local dealer (and probably the rest of the world too). I still haven't taken it out of the box yet, so I have about 1.5 weeks to return it. 

Having never owned a modern Leica(I have an M9), I am not sure how much I'd be giving up by going with the M10-R. The Black paint is nice, if it's like my MP, but on the other hand it's silly to forego a better camera just because of some nice paint. 

 

Any advice would be appreciated.

Return it and get the M11, 100%

[SrMi]

11 minutes ago, digitalfx said:

The Adobe Profile hasn't been released yet...should be soon. The one currently inAdobe is not ideal

C1 just released theirs yesterday

 

In the meantime, one can try Adobe Standard (recommended for higher ISO) or one of the M11 specific profiles by Cobalt.

[HansiMustermann]

M 11, what else?

[charlesphoto99]

2 hours ago, Artin said:

Well if you use your Leica as a fashion statement then I guess the black paint is nice, but if it is a photographic tool then the answer is clear. 

I realize you love your new camera, which is great, it's a Leica and my daughter's name is Leica, and I'll probably end up with an M12 someday, and in the op's position it's a valid concern/question (I would be tempted to trade back for the M11 but would have to handle the M11 next to my 10BP).

But man, that statement is rich, as most M's end up in permanent test mode until the next model/iteration, albeit why there are so many virtually unused ones on the secondary market. What makes better photographs is making better photographs. 

 

Edited January 26, 2022 by charlesphoto99

[Tailwagger]

27 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

... most M's end up in permanent test mode until the next model/iteration, albeit why there are so many virtually unused ones on the secondary market. What makes better photographs is making better photographs.

You're probably right, but OTOH, I'm not sure the same isn't true for a lot of cameras. At least the M is light enough that there's little excuse for not getting out there and using it.  And if all the camera is going to do is sit on the shelf anyway, then I'd root for buying it. Someone down the road will appreciate the sacrifice.

I'm very, very happy with the move to the M11 and expect that my 10-R will soon morph itself into some new optics. There are any number of things that I believe the M11 does better than any previous version, but the gains, as you'd expected, are not necessarily so huge that everyone should simply rush out and trade in their current M. IMO, while there do seem to be a few AWB oddities on occasion, in general the M11 produces the most natural color I've yet seen out of any camera I've owned. As I mention to someone else recently, it almost feels as though there are a couple of extra bits of information in there. It is capable of great subtlety and frankly rivals, perhaps exceeds, the X1Dii in that regard. It's now highly likely that I will be parting with that camera as well as a result.  

My suggestion continues to be for folks to press pause on reading the spec sheet or soliciting opinions as to what they should do.  Just go out and try one, even if for only a few minutes and you'll likely to know one way or the other. Personally, I think the 11 is a brilliant camera, unquestionably the best M yet, warts and all. But then all too often I'm a bit of an idiot, so don't take my word for it. Those seriously interested should give it a try and see.

[Jeff S]

1 hour ago, Artin said:

Trading in an M10r and loosing 3 k is one thing, but returning a M10R and getting your money back and for 150 dollars more picking up an M11 is another... 

Actually, in the US, one would gain $300 in the transaction with a BP version (excluding any accessory changes/additions). 

Jeff

[Jeff S]

2 minutes ago, Artin said:

No way man, I would never give up my shiny black paint scripted black beauty 

Just noting that it would not cost $150 more in the hypothetical you proposed; it would result in a $300 refund, at least based on typical US list prices.

Jeff

[SrMi]

8 minutes ago, Artin said:

No way man, I would never give up my shiny black paint scripted black beauty 

That is not how it works. If you like M11, you must hate M10-R. Those are the rules, sorry.

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[Hanno]

3 hours ago, digitalfx said:

The Adobe Profile hasn't been released yet...should be soon. The one currently inAdobe is not ideal

C1 just released theirs yesterday

 

Not that it’s really important, but to C1’s credit, they actually released 2 profiles for the M11 (pro and standard) on January 14th. 

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[M Journey]

1 hour ago, Jeff S said:

Just noting that it would not cost $150 more in the hypothetical you proposed; it would result in a $300 refund, at least based on typical US list prices.

Jeff

I would put the value of the m11 upgrades over a 10-r at a $2,000 value to me.  Until Leica lowers the price of the m10-r, I choose to think of it as Leica offering a $2,000 discount on the m11.  I got a great deal!
 

 

[Jacobjuul]

8 hours ago, Artin said:

Well if you use your Leica as a fashion statement then I guess the black paint is nice, but if it is a photographic tool then the answer is clear. And chances are there will be a black paint M11 showing up in the next year or 2 

Is a black paint M11 even possible? The new “bottom plate” is no longer brass right? I doubt they can make it brass and still have the same interface. 
If it is not brass it will look silly eventually, a perfectly unworn bottom plate and a brasses top plate. 
 

 

at the end of the day I am not so bothered by which finish it is. I’m more concerned about function and I’m a bit concerned that the M11 moves a bit away from the simplicity of the m system. I have an M9 and love the simplicity, but it’s too slow to rely on. The smart thing to do would probably be to return it and get a used M10-R (financially), but honestly, in a year any price difference I payed will be forgotten. 

I briefly handled an M11 and did find the shutter somewhat quirky, but nice since I’m coming from the M9, but the M10 shutter is nicer IMO. 

I also tried the M10-R next to the M11 in the store and I didn’t really notice any difference that would matter in use except the LCD screen (which is still a huge step up from the M9). The Improved battery life of the M11 would be very nice.