Return brand new M10-R black paint for M11?

[Jacobjuul]

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Last week I purchased a brand new M10-R BP since I thought it would take a long wait before we would actually be able to buy the M11 (going by other brands like Nikon). 

To my surprise the M11 seems readily available at my local dealer (and probably the rest of the world too). I still haven't taken it out of the box yet, so I have about 1.5 weeks to return it. 

Having never owned a modern Leica(I have an M9), I am not sure how much I'd be giving up by going with the M10-R. The Black paint is nice, if it's like my MP, but on the other hand it's silly to forego a better camera just because of some nice paint. 

 

Any advice would be appreciated.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Jacobjuul

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[opera207]

The paint;

the bottom plate;

quieter power on/wake up.

Nothing more for m10r 

[boostisbest]

2 minutes ago, opera207 said:

The paint;

the bottom plate;

quieter power on/wake up.

Nothing more for m10r 

The extra weight!

[Hanno]

That's a nice problem to have 😀

What would make you think now of not returning the M10R and not getting the M11?

I am asking since initially you bought the M10R as you thought you would not get a M11 soon.... Now that you can have the M11 right away, what is the issue about? 🤔

Edited January 25, 2022 by Hanno

[M Journey]

The m11 has a lot of upgrades and new features.  There are plenty of posts here that talk about what people like and don’t like.  It’s a personal choice though.  For some, the black paint makes the camera more special and more enjoyable to use, much like like how people enjoy Leicas over other brands due to looks and the tactile features.  
 

If this is your only Leica and you want to have the Leica experience and Leica look in the photos, get the m11.  If you have other leicas and/or list after the loom of the black paint and look forward to brassing it over time, keep the BP.  The M10-r was the best M camera until a month ago and is still 90-95% the image quality of the m11, and by my estimate about 70-80% of the technology, ease of use, and conveniences.

I had a choice of a m10r BP or m11 as my first foray into Leica and I chose the m11.  As much as I love how the BP looks, I know it would irk me to use it with non BP lenses.  And I can’t afford to buy one body for BP lenses and one body for normal lenses.  I actually could barely afford the one body and lens I have now.

 

[charlesphoto99]

23 minutes ago, Artin said:

but the minute you open the box you will loose 2000 dollars on your investment 

 

As so did you with the M11. 

One thing you forgot:

M11 if you like magenta tinged images

[M Journey]

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Another thing to consider is 5 years from now when the m12 is out, the BP may have more resale value and both will be 5 years old (+ a few months for the BP).

So both cameras will be older models and if both were on your shelf, the BP may tug at your heart more to bring it out to play.  
 

but for the next 5 years the m11 will help you capture better photos, everything else being equal.

[digitalfx]

20 minutes ago, charlesphoto99 said:

 

M11 if you like magenta tinged images

If your images are magenta you are probably using the wrong profile. If you're basing this comment on images posted on the forum, take it with a grain of salt. Images look great when correctly processed or even straight out of camera.

[digitalfx]

1 hour ago, Jacobjuul said:

Last week I purchased a brand new M10-R BP since I thought it would take a long wait before we would actually be able to buy the M11 (going by other brands like Nikon). 

To my surprise the M11 seems readily available at my local dealer (and probably the rest of the world too). I still haven't taken it out of the box yet, so I have about 1.5 weeks to return it. 

Having never owned a modern Leica(I have an M9), I am not sure how much I'd be giving up by going with the M10-R. The Black paint is nice, if it's like my MP, but on the other hand it's silly to forego a better camera just because of some nice paint. 

 

Any advice would be appreciated.

Id suggest you go the the dealer and try it out first. Personally, I would exchange in a heart beat.

But also consider resale value. Your advantage is the price is the same new...but in a year I would think the M11 will be worth more.

[M9reno]

Have a look at this thread:

Personally, I would keep the M10R-BP.  You will likely not find another one if you change your mind.

 

[SrMi]

1 hour ago, charlesphoto99 said:

As so did you with the M11. 

One thing you forgot:

M11 if you like magenta tinged images

Is that opinion based on processing of your own M11 images, or part of the ongoing FUD campaign on this forum?

[darylgo]

35 minutes ago, digitalfx said:

Id suggest you go the the dealer and try it out first.

There is a significant change in the menu system, the M10 system is far easier for me, perhaps familiarity but it was the reason I didn't buy the M11.  

A good dealer will work with you through this and make sure you are making the best decision.  

Another good source of help is to contact the local Leica Rep.  

[M9reno]

4 minutes ago, Artin said:

Well if you use your Leica as a fashion statement then I guess the black paint is nice, but if it is a photographic tool then the answer is clear. And chances are there will be a black paint M11 showing up in the next year or 2 

So basically, dump on the black paint…. but also hold out for a year or two waiting for it.  Where do you get this material? 😆

[SrMi]

2 hours ago, Jacobjuul said:

Last week I purchased a brand new M10-R BP since I thought it would take a long wait before we would actually be able to buy the M11 (going by other brands like Nikon). 

To my surprise the M11 seems readily available at my local dealer (and probably the rest of the world too). I still haven't taken it out of the box yet, so I have about 1.5 weeks to return it. 

Having never owned a modern Leica(I have an M9), I am not sure how much I'd be giving up by going with the M10-R. The Black paint is nice, if it's like my MP, but on the other hand it's silly to forego a better camera just because of some nice paint. 

 

Any advice would be appreciated.

For me, functionality is more important than the look. Therefore I would pick M11.

[M9reno]

4 minutes ago, Artin said:

What material are you talking about ?  No one dumping on anything , I am telling him that the M10R bp is not a special edition so it will not be an unobtainable collectable. End of the day I don’t give a rats ass who buys what. God damn I am sick and tired of these romantics on this forum, most of you will have a great courier writing for harlequin.

This is so funny. You do realise we are talking Leica, no? But then again, I’m a guy who teaches Thucydides for a living, and occasionally I use a typewriter, so I just can’t get your point. 🙂

[digitalfx]

54 minutes ago, M9reno said:

 

Personally, I would keep the M10R-BP.  You will likely not find another one if you change your mind.

 

I guess you haven't looked on Ebay or FM lately...they are plentiful.

[Jeff S]

2 hours ago, Artin said:

improved range finder ( so claimed)

 

 

How?  Who claims?

Jeff

[Jeff S]

6 minutes ago, Artin said:

Leica in their interview, touched on the fact that minor improvements were made to the rangefinder for more durability. 

Link?

Jeff

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[M9reno]

10 minutes ago, Artin said:

And you never will let’s move on 

No probs. Enjoy your photographic tool.

[digitalfx]

4 minutes ago, Jeff S said:

Link?

Jeff

In the Tech Talk Jesko said it is exactly the same...it an earlier video they did say it had slight improvements, but I dont recall who said that. Id go with Jesko's comments.