TTArtisan 28mm f5.6

[Matlock]

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My TTA 28/5.6 was perfect out of the box.

[spydrxx]

My TTA 28/5.6 was spot on when it arrived. I thought I might need to tweak it, but was pleasantly surprised.

[Life By Stills]

5 hours ago, Dennis said:

I once had the TT 35/1.4 and needed calibration out of the box. As you, I was sceptic and afraid to mess it up. I ended successfully the process after 4 minutes, and a few drops of sweat 😅. Very easy! The TTA 28/5.6 is was perfect out of the box. From MFD to infinity.

Be positive

 

4 hours ago, Matlock said:

My TTA 28/5.6 was perfect out of the box.

 

47 minutes ago, spydrxx said:

My TTA 28/5.6 was spot on when it arrived. I thought I might need to tweak it, but was pleasantly surprised.

Thanks for your replies, @Dennis, @Matlock, and @spydrxx. I will give the lens a go and order later tonight. The vignette seems less extreme than Leica's own Summaron-M at f/5.6 from what I have seen from sample photos and reviews.

@Dennis - I'll see how I feel and if I want to bite the bullet and play with the 7A 35mm f/1.4 WEN again - last copy I got second hand didn't even focus to infinity, and the shop wasn't too sure how to adjust it either, so I just returned it. The other alternative is the Voitgländer 35mm f/1.4 Nokton II which wouldn't need adjusting lol.

Edited June 18, 2022 by Life By Stills

[pippy]

10 hours ago, Life By Stills said:

...I just wanted to know though if you had to calibrate it yourself when you got it...Would love to hear your experiences of the lens in terms of out of box use without calibration...

In common with answers posted by Dennis, Peter (Matlock) and spydrxx my TTA was 100% perfectly calibrated right out of the box. In fact the case mentioned by Lancashire (post #303) was the first time I've ever known of someone having a calibration problem with the TTA 28 f5.6.

Personally speaking I'm having a great weekend so far; thanks for your good wishes to all which sentiment I return.

Philip.

[Dennis]

6 hours ago, Life By Stills said:

play with the 7A 35mm f/1.4 WEN again -

The other alternative is the Voitgländer 35mm f/1.4 Nokton II 

I would say get the Nokton. It's a keeper and a wonderful 35mm. Modern or glowy (two lenses in one), depend on f/stop. Smaller and lighter, A joy to use. And great match for BW too, I feel.

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And don't forget to post some snapshots you took with your new 28mm... 

 

[Dennis]

M10 + TTA 28/5.6

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[erniethemilk]

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Mine came perfectly calibrated straight out of the box, which seems the case with most people who have them here. 
 

My only issue is remembering to change the lens profile in camera when I use it, something I’m constantly forgetting to do between that and the non coded 90mm I have. 🙄

[egrossman]

Well the used copy of the TT Artisan 28mm lens that I received from B&H was a bust. What looked like veiling flare could be seen across the frame no matter how I took pictures with the lens. Back it went to B&H.

Given that I already own the 28mm Summilux, I’m now considering either the 28mm Summaron or the 28mm Color Skopar 3.5. The Summaron is clearly known for it’s personality and rendering. The Skopar is sharp at any aperture, a stop faster and a third of the price used.

Any opinions on what would pair better with the Summilux?

Thanks

Erik

[hdmesa]

3 hours ago, egrossman said:

Well the used copy of the TT Artisan 28mm lens that I received from B&H was a bust. What looked like veiling flare could be seen across the frame no matter how I took pictures with the lens. Back it went to B&H.

Given that I already own the 28mm Summilux, I’m now considering either the 28mm Summaron or the 28mm Color Skopar 3.5. The Summaron is clearly known for it’s personality and rendering. The Skopar is sharp at any aperture, a stop faster and a third of the price used.

Any opinions on what would pair better with the Summilux?

Thanks

Erik

28 Summaron rendering is somewhat different compared to something with a more traditionally-vintage rendering. You get nice, strong vignetting at f/5.6, soft corners, and no veiling flare that I could provoke. Central sharpness and contrast is high, matching the 28 Lux at ~f/4. It doesn’t really fit into either category, modern or vintage. The build quality fits the asking price, IMO. It’s a dense little brass lens, too — likes to try and roll away from you if you’re not careful mounting/unmounting. No experience with the CV.

I also have the 28 Lux, and 95% of the time it stays at home or in the bag now that I have the Summaron.

Edited June 23, 2022 by hdmesa

[egrossman]

13 minutes ago, hdmesa said:

28 Summaron rendering is somewhat different compared to something with a more traditionally-vintage rendering. You get nice, strong vignetting at f/5.6, soft corners, and no veiling flare that I could provoke. Central sharpness and contrast is high, matching the 28 Lux at ~f/4. It doesn’t really fit into either category, modern or vintage. The build quality fits the asking price, IMO. It’s a dense little brass lens, too — likes to try and roll away from you if you’re not careful mounting/unmounting. No experience with the CV.

I also have the 28 Lux, and 95% of the time it stays at home or in the bag now that I have the Summaron.

I just stopped by the Leica Store in San Francisco to check out the summaron in person. I was very impressed with regard to the build quality and surprised by just how heavy it was (relative to it’s size). On a separate note, I was shocked at just how small the 50mm Noctilux 1.2 Heritage was in person (I own the 1.0 v4 edition).

Erik

[Huss]

I just ordered the TTA 28 5.6 in black.  Could not resist the way it looks.  Already have the 28 Summicron v2, the CV 28 3.5 (fantastic lens!) and the Orion 15 28 f6 (super lens!).

If the TTA's performance is satisfactory (i.e. no weird veiling flare like egrossman reported above, and it focuses at infinity at hard stop) then I will most prob sell the Orion.  The only thing I don't like about the Orion is the way you have to reach inside the lens to change the aperture.

[egrossman]

@Husscongrats on the black TTA. I'll be buying a 28mm Summaron sometime in the next few weeks ahead of a trip to London in early August (where I grew up). To me, the Summaron is an irresistible walkabout lens for my M10D.

Erik

[Huss]

@egrossman thanks!  I hope the lens is decent.  I'm drawn to small lenses on Leica Ms - I have no interest in the large ones.  It just ruins the enjoyment IMO, and goes against the original design brief.  I sold my 7A 20 1.4 because it was a huge pipe, and replaced it w a Summicron Asph v2  because I did not want the size of the Summilux 28.  I actually was conflicted as I had the Elmarit Asph 28 which was superb, but wanted the one more stop of speed as I am a film shooter.

 

[egrossman]

1 minute ago, Huss said:

@egrossman thanks!  I hope the lens is decent.  I'm drawn to small lenses on Leica Ms - I have no interest in the large ones.  It just ruins the enjoyment IMO, and goes against the original design brief.  I sold my 7A 20 1.4 because it was a huge pipe, and replaced it w a Summicron Asph v2  because I did not want the size of the Summilux 28.  I actually was conflicted as I had the Elmarit Asph 28 which was superb, but wanted the one more stop of speed as I am a film shooter.

 

I'm not drawn to a particular size of lens, rather lenses in the same focal length that are very different in the way they each draw.

For example, because I already own the 28mm Summilux, I chose the Summaron because to offers something very different.

In this same vein, I'd eventually like to get a 35mm Summilux pre-ASPH to pair with my pre-FLE

Erik

 

[Huss]

If a lens is too big, I'm not going to use it.  A purely personal decision.  I don't like the bulk, the VF blockage, the way it unbalances the camera.

[Dennis]

23 minutes ago, Huss said:

If a lens is too big, I'm not going to use it.  A purely personal decision.  I don't like the bulk, the VF blockage, the way it unbalances the camera.

+1

24 minutes ago, Huss said:

the VF blockage

My reason #1.

On M cameras, It's so beautiful the VF, and so important for the composition. To use a small lens that doesn't block the VF at all, honestly, it's a pleasure for the eye.

 

[egrossman]

I just don't see viewfinder blockage as a big deal. Let's take an extreme example with the 50mm Noctilux 1.0 v4. In this example, is viewfinder blockage going to really prevent you from composing your picture?

With regard to balance: the weight of this Noctilux is 584.3g and the M10-D is 660g so I would say balance is pretty even.

Just my 2 cents.

Erik

 

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Edited June 24, 2022 by egrossman

[Dennis]

9 minutes ago, egrossman said:

Let's take an extreme example with the 50mm Noctilux 1.0 v4. In this example, is viewfinder blockage going to really prevent you from composing your picture?

Of course, cause it uses the 50mm frame lines.

Try to compose with a 28 Lux, then you tell me if there is a difference.

[egrossman]

8 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Of course, cause it uses the 50mm frame lines.

Try to compose with a 28 Lux, then you tell me if there is a difference.

Here you go. I don't use hoods but for the sake for fairness, pics with and without the hood.

Erik

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[pippy]

On 6/23/2022 at 4:27 PM, egrossman said:

Well the used copy of the TT Artisan 28mm lens that I received from B&H was a bust. What looked like veiling flare could be seen across the frame no matter how I took pictures with the lens. Back it went to B&H...

Sorry to hear that the copy you received was a dud.

Just out of curiosity, Erik, would you mind sharing the serial number if you know what it was? Exclude the last couple of digits if this will make you feel more comfortable.

I ask because (as has been written and commented upon several times in this thread) there does seem to be a very marked difference in performance between the early lenses and those which came about later on with the early-release examples being especially susceptible to veiling flare in particular. In contrast (no pun intended) owners of later lenses don't seem to have encountered this phenomenon.

On the plus side I'm sure you will be delighted with the in-coming Summaron. Hopefully the weather in London will be kind to you during your visit!

Philip.