Leica polarising filter 13359 question

[LocalHero1953]

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I have just bought a polarising filter 13359 from a reputable UK dealer, via ebay. It was sold as a series 7 filter.

The filter looks like it has a male screw thread of OD 54mm, and no internal thread on the other end. The box has two printed check boxes 13358 D and 13359 E; the latter has a check mark. Someone has handwritten "VII" on the box. The filter is just marked 13359.

I can't find any information about this filter online. Before I go back to the seller, can anyone tell me if 13359 or 13359E actually is a series VII filter or a screw fit filter? What is the thread for? Any other information about the filter?

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[Erato]

2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I have just bought a polarising filter 13359 from a reputable UK dealer, via ebay. It was sold as a series 7 filter.

The filter looks like it has a male screw thread of OD 54mm, and no internal thread on the other end. The box has two printed check boxes 13358 D and 13359 E; the latter has a check mark. Someone has handwritten "VII" on the box. The filter is just marked 13359.

I can't find any information about this filter online. Before I go back to the seller, can anyone tell me if 13359 or 13359E actually is a series VII filter or a screw fit filter? What is the thread for? Any other information about the filter?

Hi Paul,

It's a E54 Graduated rotating screw-mount (circular?) polarizing filter(13359). ASAIK, it is not a Series VII. 

You may check the engraving on the ring for more details.

Remark: it would be different case study if the seller or original owner placed another filters(not matching the description) into the box.

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[pippy]

I can't help you with your 13359, Paul, but having just checked my own Series VII Pola it carries the engraving;

"P-clr   SERIE 7   13370   LEITZ   WETZLAR   GERMANY".

There is no thread - as expected. I've never heard of a Series VII filter which has a thread as this lack of a thread was a large part of the Seris VII design. There is the yellow dot on the face of the mounting-ring indicating which side faces the front element. The max. diameter is 51mm (or possibly a fraction of a millimeter less). It came in keeper and (original?) box and the latter was multipurpose for half-a-dozen options one of which - with a check-mark against it - reads;

"VII   13 370 CIR-POL".

I only have two other Series VII filters and both of these - an Orange and a UVa - are also engraved in a similar manner to the Circular Polariser with the SERIE VII specification. Neither is threaded and both share the 51mm max. diameter of the Pola.

I'm not sure how you are hoping to use your recently acquired filter but, FWIW, I've also just checked the internal diameter of the 12 504 35mm Summilux lenshood and it is approx 51mm (or possibly fractionally more, of course, so that the filters can drop in). If you were hoping to use the filter with such a lens and hood combination then I suspect it will not work.

It doesn't sound like a Series VII to me at all........but I've been wrong in the past!

Philip.

EDIT : Here's a snap showing what the filters look like. The engraving on the Pola is not filled-in with white paint - and is therefore difficult to show clearly! I suspect it is a newer item than the other two as it carries the simplified 'SERIE 7' wording rather than the 'SERIE VII' of the other pair;

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FURTHER EDIT : Ah! I see Erato was posting at the same time with info on the 13 359!

Hopefully all this info has been of help both with what you have and also what you wanted!

Edited November 18, 2021 by pippy

[LocalHero1953]

Thank you, @pippyand @Erato. It looks like it has been incorrectly marked on the box and sold. I shall return it.
(This forum is a great source of info!)

Edited November 18, 2021 by LocalHero1953

[LocalHero1953]

The filter was to use on a Summilux-M 35 pre-asph, which has a hood with integrated series 7 holder. The lens came with a series 7 UV filter, so it is fairly obvious it doesn't fit in the same space.

[lct]

13354 and 13359 are E54 polar filters for R lenses.
For the M 35/1.4 it can only be the 13370 Series 7 polar filter AFAIK but i have no experience with it and i doubt it can be rotated into the 12504 hood for 35/1.4. Pippy and Erato know certainly more about that.

[pippy]

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1 hour ago, lct said:

...For the M 35/1.4 it can only be the 13370 Series 7 polar filter AFAIK but i have no experience with it and i doubt it can be rotated into the 12504 hood for 35/1.4...

The way I use the 13 370 with the 12 504 hood is as follows;

As mentioned in post #3 there is a yellow dot on the face of the rim which shows which side of the filter should face the front element(*). In a manner similar to the engraved 'P' on the regular 39mm POOTR pola the positioning of the dot is such that when placed at either '12 o'clock' or '6 o'clock' the pola is at full efficiency for reducing reflections on the horizontal plane. A 90 degree turn, obviously, makes it work for reflections on the vertical plane.

I drop the filter into the rear part of the hood with the yellow dot centred on either one of the tabs for the hood release / attach clips and screw on the front part of the hood. Assuming the filter stays put - and such it seems to do - this means that if I'm shoting a horizontal snap the two clip tabs should be at '12 o'clock' and '6 o'clock''. For shooting vertical images the whole hood unit is simply rotated through 90 degrees after which the tabs will still point to 12 o'clock / 6 o'clock.

Works well for me.

I'll attach a (very poor quality!) pic or two to illustrate more clearly...

Drop the filter in with the dot facing inwards and positioned towards the tab;

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Whole shebang on camera. Tab up = horizontal use;

Philip.

(*) Some pola filters DO NOT WORK if they are placed back-to-front but I admit I do not know why this should be the case...

Edited November 18, 2021 by pippy

[LocalHero1953]

1 minute ago, pippy said:

The way I use the 13 370 with the 12 504 hood is as follows;

As mentioned in post #3 there is a yellow dot on the face of the rim which shows which side of the filter should face the front element(*) in a manner similar to the engraved 'P' on the regular 39mm POOTR pola. The positioning of the dot is such that when placed at either '12 o'clock' or '6 o'clock' the pola is at full efficiency for reducing reflections on the horizontal plane. A 90 degree turn, obviously, makes it work for reflections on the vertical plane.

I drop the filter into the rear part of the hood with the yellow dot centred on either one of the tabs for the hood release / attach clips and screw on the front part of the hood. Assuming the filter stays put - and such it seems to do - this means that if I'm shoting a horizontal snap the two clip tabs should be at '12 o'clock' and '6 o'clock''. For shooting vertical images the whole hood unit is simply rotated through 90 degrees after which the tabs will still point to 12 o'clock / 6 o'clock.

Works well for me.

I'll attach a pic or two in a mo' to illustrate more clearly...

Philip.

(*) Some pola filters DO NOT WORK if they are placed back-to-front but I admit I do not know why this should be the case...

That all makes sense. Yes, it is the 12504 hood that I have and it rotates freely.

[LocalHero1953]

56 minutes ago, lct said:

13354 and 13359 are E54 polar filters for R lenses.

Badoom!  Thank you.

It is about to be posted as an ebay return.

[pippy]

19 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said:

That all makes sense. Yes, it is the 12504 hood that I have and it rotates freely.

There are a couple of benefits to using the filter / hood like this. Firstly it is very obvious when the filter is in the 'correct' position for use in either horizontal or vertical orientation. It can even be set without looking at the camera simply by feel. Secondly when shooting in horizontal mode - which is how most of my images seem to be composed - the positioning of the tabs is such that they don't get in the way of the aperture 'wings'...

Philip.

Edited November 18, 2021 by pippy

[UliWer]

3 hours ago, lct said:

For the M 35/1.4 it can only be the 13370 Series 7 polar filter AFAIK but i have no experience with it and i doubt it can be rotated into the 12504 hood for 35/1.4.

Yes , the 35mm Summilux pre asph needs a Serie VII Filter and 13370 was the only Serie VII polarizer offered by Leitz/Leica (may be other brands had them as well). Serie VII will fit into the 12504 hood.  I don't think that rotating will be difficult as you can rotate the whole hood - and the filter stucked in it - easily.

Though if you don't use Liveview I see a problem how to know the right position of the polarizer. You would need handmade indexes on the hood to get an idea at which position the polarizer is - not really a good idea. 

And I can only repeat that polarizers and wide angle lenses are no good bedfellows. I know that 28mm is too wide for a polarizer (different effects on the left and right part of the frame, which looks awful). 35mm might work, but not always. 

[LocalHero1953]

I was looking for ND filters and came across the polarising filter at a lowish price, so bought it on a whim - I have used them before and I'm aware of their limitations, especially on film cameras without LV. I will keep a casual eye open for a 13370, but it's not a priority.

Edited November 18, 2021 by LocalHero1953

[pippy]

3 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I was looking for ND filters and came across the polarising filter at a lowish price, so bought it on a whim - I have used them before and I'm aware of their limitations, especially on film cameras without LV...

Absolutely no problems with using the 13 370 with the 35mm Summilux IMX.

If you wish I could post three or four dozen snaps taken just yesterday alone on the M-D with that combination and there was never any issue whatsoever.

Philip.

[Michael Geschlecht]

16 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I have just bought a polarising filter 13359 from a reputable UK dealer, via ebay. It was sold as a series 7 filter.

The filter looks like it has a male screw thread of OD 54mm, and no internal thread on the other end. The box has two printed check boxes 13358 D and 13359 E; the latter has a check mark. Someone has handwritten "VII" on the box. The filter is just marked 13359.

I can't find any information about this filter online. Before I go back to the seller, can anyone tell me if 13359 or 13359E actually is a series VII filter or a screw fit filter? What is the thread for? Any other information about the filter?

Hello Paul,

A 13359, Series VII, Polarizing Filter is made for the 1st version of the 90mm f2.8 Elmarit & the Bellows version of the 100mm f4 Elmar for the Leicaflex & for the 135mm f2.8 Elmarit for the Leicaflex & for the "M" cameras.

The filter is screwed into the lens after the 14161  adapter ring is removed. After it is in place on the lens, the filter is rotated by turning the textured surface of the edge of the filter's outside ring.

Best Regards,

Michael

Edited November 19, 2021 by Michael Geschlecht

[LocalHero1953]

8 hours ago, pippy said:

Absolutely no problems with using the 13 370 with the 35mm Summilux IMX.

If you wish I could post three or four dozen snaps taken just yesterday alone on the M-D with that combination and there was never any issue whatsoever.

Philip.

I'd be glad to see some, thanks. It would be interesting to see how much the effect varies across the frame (if at all).

[pippy]

1 hour ago, LocalHero1953 said:

I'd be glad to see some, thanks. It would be interesting to see how much the effect varies across the frame (if at all).

OK; I'll sort some out for you which I consider to be typically representational.

Philip.