bcapphoto Posted October 27, 2021 Share #1 Posted October 27, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 28mm shooters - question ... I love my Leica Q, and I'm looking for something in that focal range I'll love on my M246 and MD262. I have the 50mm Summilux ASPH so I'd love something that'll pair nicely with that. The 28mm Elmarit-M ASPH is interesting and I love how small it is. But there's also the 28mm Summicron ASPH. Any thoughts/feedback on those 2? Or will nothing get me close to that Q look unless I go Summilux? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted October 27, 2021 Share #2 Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) So different strong/less strong features. 28mm Elmarit-M AND Summicron-M for me, since some years. I can not choose, then less so to advice one over the other. As usual ... Pick one then the other would be next choice (or NOT). Size wise if relevant Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! left, third 28 has some charms, no other can give. Edited October 27, 2021 by a.noctilux 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! left, third 28 has some charms, no other can give. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325786-28mm-elmarit-asph-or-28mm-summicron-asph/?do=findComment&comment=4300838'>More sharing options...
bcapphoto Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share #3 Posted October 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: So different strong/less strong features. 28mm Elmarit-M AND Summicron-M for me, since some years. I can not choose, then less so to advice one over the other. As usual ... Pick one then the other would be next choice (or NOT). Size wise if relevant Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! left, third 28 has some charms, no other can give. Which would you say best matches with the 50mm Summilux? What are the main differences between the Elmarit vs. the Summicron in your experience? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted October 27, 2021 Share #4 Posted October 27, 2021 Just now, bcapphoto said: Which would you say best matches with the 50mm Summilux? What are the main differences between the Elmarit vs. the Summicron in your experience? Sorry I don't know, side note I sold my Summilux asph. 50mm, years ago after seeing it as the best of 50mm I had, I changed my mind for "rounder/gentler rendering" (= not pin sharp), in this case, the Summaron-M was my choice, the 28mm Summicron-M is not bad to pair with 50mm Summilux (pre-asph. for me ), the asph. Elmarit-M 28mm can be "too sharp" if possible ( don't know why), may this a good choice if you appreciate the Lux asph.50. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHPdoc Posted October 27, 2021 Share #5 Posted October 27, 2021 I went with the 28 Elmarit, partly because of size, but also because when shooting wider than 35mm I tend to go for greater depth of field, and for me the Elmarit is perfect. Your 50 Lux and 28 Lux (on the Q) are great for when you need that wide-open Leica magic, so either the 28 Summicron or Elmarit would round out the spectrum of capabilities, depending of course on how important DoF control is for you. I really love the Elmarit and can almost guarantee you won't be disappointed. Looking forward to hearing which you pick! - Scott 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 27, 2021 Share #6 Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) Personally I went for the Elmarit asph over the Summicron for two main reasons; size and I don't ever need/wish to shoot 28mm at f2. Had one - still got it in fact - but haven't used it once since I got the Elmarit. As it happens immediately before I logged-in here I was editing several dozen images from today. Two-thirds of these were shot with the 28 and I was just thinking how much I love the faithfulness of it's rendering. Others, I know, have a very different view of this lens so, as usual, I'd suggest you try to test examples of both out for yourself. Good luck! Philip. Edited October 27, 2021 by pippy 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcapphoto Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share #7 Posted October 27, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 minutes ago, FHPdoc said: I went with the 28 Elmarit, partly because of size, but also because when shooting wider than 35mm I tend to go for greater depth of field, and for me the Elmarit is perfect. Your 50 Lux and 28 Lux (on the Q) are great for when you need that wide-open Leica magic, so either the 28 Summicron or Elmarit would round out the spectrum of capabilities, depending of course on how important DoF control is for you. I really love the Elmarit and can almost guarantee you won't be disappointed. Looking forward to hearing which you pick! - Scott Great perspective! Pulled the trigger on the Elmarit ASPH and it should be coming in next week! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarsHP Posted October 27, 2021 Share #8 Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) I suggest checking out the new Voigtländer Ultron 28mm Asph II. Smaller than the Summicron Asph II, but at least as good. EDIT: Sorry! Just saw that you already ordered... Edited October 27, 2021 by LarsHP Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FHPdoc Posted October 27, 2021 Share #9 Posted October 27, 2021 6 hours ago, bcapphoto said: Pulled the trigger on the Elmarit ASPH and it should be coming in next week! Congratulations! Be sure to post your maiden shots and let us know how you like it. - Scott Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 28, 2021 Share #10 Posted October 28, 2021 I find the rendering of the 28 Summicron ASPH (v.1) very compatible with the 50 Summilux ASPH. Of course a lot can change with PP (including reducing the higher native contrast of the 28 Elmarit), but the Summicron and Summilux start as kindred spirits IMO (except the Summicron sucks at f1.4). Jeff 1 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted October 28, 2021 Share #11 Posted October 28, 2021 I own several Summilux and Summicron lenses, however not for the 28mm focal length, where I only keep the 28 Elmarit ASPH. I like the drawing and rendering of this length, if occasionally it appears too harsh, I adapt in PP. I also don't miss the 2.0 or 1.4 apertures in a 28mm lens because I simply do not need for my style of shooting and if really the light is insufficient, in most cases I can tweak the shot into a reasonable result. Biggest advantage is the small size as show in the photos above, therefore, the 28 Elmarit recently has become my favourite lens, most of my images shown here in the forum were made with 28 Elmarit. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tessar. Posted October 29, 2021 Share #12 Posted October 29, 2021 I've been using both away on holiday this week and definitely prefer the sharpness and contrast of my Elmarit-M ASPH II over my Summicron (Ver I). I also prefer the size of the camera in my bag with the Elmarit. And carrying in my hand for long periods. Different looks for each. The Elmarit is very much grabbing my attention with more vivid colours and separation (maybe because of the sharpness). The Summicron is more "moody" and more subtle in its rendering. The Elmarit is definitely sharper inc. to the corners. Even at f/2,8. Not sure whether this would still be the case with the version II ASPH Summicron? I'm keeping both as they suit different moods but I think I'll be using the Elmarit maybe 80% of the time. On a side note I love the ergonomics of the Elmarit so much I'm going to get a 35mm Summicron ASPH II as they are almost identical in size and ergonomics. I'm using both without their supplied hoods (just a couple of step up rings to make makeshift hoods), so the size difference is more pronounced than if I used the proper screw in metal Elmarit hood... All IMHO of course. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted October 29, 2021 Share #13 Posted October 29, 2021 Never used the 28mm elmarit and never been tempted by it because I used a CV 28mm f3.5 color-skopar for years along with a v1 summicron 28mm. The CV 28 was perfectly good enough and small enough that I never wanted a 28mm elmarit-m. I eventually replaced the CV28 with a 28mm summaron-m because the CV lens was showing its age and becoming a bit worn and wobbly. More recently I replaced my V1 28m summicron with 28mm summicron Safari Edition, which is perfect for my use. It’s fast enough for me at f2 and has the same lovely rendering at all apertures and distances as the V1 did, without having to worry about it falling apart (although mine never did suffer from that problem) or the plastic behemoth lens hood of the V1. Part of my decision to buy the Safari, apart from the attraction of it being ‘different’, is the integral sliding hood which I prefer to both the summicron V1 & V 2 detachable hoods. As 28mm is my most used focal length on my MP, I find the 28mm summaron-m and the 28mm summicron Safari complement each other perfectly with their very different renderings on film. I’m very happy to be able to have the choice of two very nice and very different 28mm lenses. Since Leica offer a choice of 4 28mm lenses in their inventory, I personally would find the f2.8 28mm elmarit-m asph a bit limiting as my only 28mm and I’d be looking to pair it with either the 28mm summilux or summicron anyway. The 28mm summicron in all versions is small enough (apart from the ridiculous plastic hood on the V1) and light enough to negate any convincing arguments over the respective sizes in favour of the 28mm elmarit-m vs the 28mm summicron asph. With that and the very nice rendering of the 28mm summicrons, I’d take a 28mm summicron asph any day over a 28mm elmarit-m asph, especially if I intended to have only one 28mm lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmoM3 Posted October 29, 2021 Share #14 Posted October 29, 2021 had both and they render differently - size wise, they're immaterial, esp if you compared the ASPH II version of both the Elmarit (11677) and Summicron (11672). The Elmarit ASPH II is very contrasty and it's a fantastic little lens. I loved using it on my M246 Monochrom. I only had the Summicron ASPH II because I downgraded from the Summilux 28mm ASPH due to size and weight. The question is if you you need the extra stop of light and if you're willing to pay double for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinj Posted October 29, 2021 Share #15 Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) On 10/27/2021 at 7:41 AM, bcapphoto said: 28mm shooters - question ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I love my Leica Q, and I'm looking for something in that focal range I'll love on my M246 and MD262. I have the 50mm Summilux ASPH so I'd love something that'll pair nicely with that. The 28mm Elmarit-M ASPH is interesting and I love how small it is. But there's also the 28mm Summicron ASPH. Any thoughts/feedback on those 2? Or will nothing get me close to that Q look unless I go Summilux? To get that Q look wide open, get the 28'Lux. I did and don't regret it. Even though it is a large/heavy lens by Leica M standards, the output on M10-R is very good, easily matching my much loved Q2. If the goal is to get a Leica 28mm and keep size small, get the 28 Elmarit II. I had it prior to getting the 'Lux and its tiny size and high performance is what makes it so unique. If the goal is to keep costs under control, yet don't give up on IQ, don't ignore Voigtlander. check out https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1704868/ Do remember that Q look is part of the closed system imaging chain with sensor, lens processing all tweaked as one cohesive unit. Edited October 29, 2021 by ravinj 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted October 29, 2021 Share #16 Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) On 10/27/2021 at 10:40 AM, bcapphoto said: Great perspective! Pulled the trigger on the Elmarit ASPH and it should be coming in next week! You can't go wrong in choosing the 28 Elmarit. That is my current 28mm M lens. I had the 28 Summicron M (last version with the plastic lens hood) and it was an outstanding lens. to describe its rendering at f/2 in one word, I would say velvety. Rich, beautiful colors, shallow DOF, excellent bokeh, very sharp in focus area with a soft focus fall off to the out of focus areas that are just beautiful. You can't go wrong with the 28 Summicron M, either. At present, I also have the 28 f/1.7 Summilux on my Q2. It is also a killer lens. I love the 28mm focal length so much that I am planning to add the new 28 Summicron M and perhaps the 28 Summilux M to my M kit as circumstances permit. As @ravinj observes, the 28 Summilux M is a large/heavy lens by Leica M standards; compared to this Nikkor standard zoom lens, the 28/1.4 Summilux would be a joy to carry around all day: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1175033-REG/nikon_af_s_nikkor_24_70mm_f_2_8e.html/specs?sts=pi&pim=Y That is one of the many beautiful things about the M rangefinder system. Edited October 29, 2021 by Herr Barnack Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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