Shawn30 Posted October 15, 2021 Share #21 Posted October 15, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sigma 24-70 @ 24mm f2.8 1/100 hand held, ibis on, manual shutter 100% crop Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325337-leica-sl2-shutteribis-induced-motion-blur/?do=findComment&comment=4293472'>More sharing options...
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asaiah Posted October 16, 2021 Author Share #22 Posted October 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Shawn30 said: Sigma 24-70 @ 24mm f2.8 1/100 hand held, ibis on, manual shutter 100% crop Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks Shawn. The effect is more noticeable for me when I'm using my 35, 50 or 90mm lenses, have you noticed anything shooting at the other end of your zoom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 16, 2021 Share #23 Posted October 16, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 7:17 AM, asaiah said: Hello All, I've been having some issues with my SL2 and I was wondering if anyone else was experiencing anything similar? When the IBIS and mechanical shutter are both activated I get motion blur when the shutter is set between 1/80th-1/160th second. I've done a bit of testing and the issue disappears when the electronic shutter is used, the images are also sharper at the shutter speeds mentioned with mechanical shutter on and the IBIS turned off. The effect is present using my APO SL35, as well as my adapted M lenses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! and what settings are you using for IBIS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asaiah Posted October 16, 2021 Author Share #24 Posted October 16, 2021 59 minutes ago, frame-it said: and what settings are you using for IBIS? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It has always been set to normal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 16, 2021 Share #25 Posted October 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, asaiah said: It has always been set to normal. cool... i use only m / r and other MF lenses and ive never seen this kind of blur, so was curious.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoreserve Posted October 16, 2021 Share #26 Posted October 16, 2021 vor 11 Stunden schrieb SrMi: I assume the issue also appear only in certain shutter speed range (typical for shutter shock). Yes, but it's not the typical shutter shock, because it only appears when IBIS is turned ON...Like I mentioned before, LEICA is aware of this issue. But NOTHING happens...🙁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SrMi Posted October 16, 2021 Share #28 Posted October 16, 2021 2 hours ago, panoreserve said: Yes, but it's not the typical shutter shock, because it only appears when IBIS is turned ON...Like I mentioned before, LEICA is aware of this issue. But NOTHING happens...🙁 Agreed, it is not typical shutter shock, but most likely caused by the first mechanical curtain. In theory, EFCS should fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn30 Posted October 16, 2021 Share #29 Posted October 16, 2021 You asked about other focal lengths. 1st photo Leica 35 SL @ f5.6 1/80 cropped, hand held, ibis, mechanical shutter 2nd Leica vario‑elmar‑r 75-200 @ 75mm f4.5 1/80 hand held, ibis, mechanical shutter Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325337-leica-sl2-shutteribis-induced-motion-blur/?do=findComment&comment=4294167'>More sharing options...
Shawn30 Posted October 16, 2021 Share #30 Posted October 16, 2021 Sigma 24-70 @ 50mm f5.6 1/80 ibis, hand held, mechanical shutter Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325337-leica-sl2-shutteribis-induced-motion-blur/?do=findComment&comment=4294176'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 16, 2021 Share #31 Posted October 16, 2021 On 10/14/2021 at 10:37 PM, asaiah said: Thanks For the information Mike. I'm surprised I haven't heard more about the issue, the results my camera produces between 1/80 to 1/125 sec are pretty bad. Maybe some SL2's are effected less? If you read through the threads on long lenses (not a wideangle like 75 mm ), you'll find that the issue is mentioned quite often. In fact, as soon as a poster complains about soft results (and suspects a focus issue ) the first advice he gets is to use electronic shutter. On long lenses the problem can even persist throughout the shutter speed range. The thing is that IBIS - or OIS - cannot compensate for the frequency generated by shutter shock; if it tries to compensate it may make matters worse. This is even the case with the camera on a tripod. On a side note, Panasonic has a setting that will. activate electronic shutter for the speeds affected automatically and advises in the manual to use it as the default setting. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 17, 2021 Share #32 Posted October 17, 2021 SL2S + Elmarit R 180mm V2 IBIS ON Mech Shutter 1/500th 100% crop focused on the tiny white round piece of dust on the metal plate in the centre Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2S + Elmarit R 180mm V2 IBIS ON Mech Shutter 1/125th 100% crop focused on the tiny white round piece of dust on the metal plate in the center obviously a different F-Stop Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! SL2S + Elmarit R 180mm V2 IBIS ON Mech Shutter 1/125th 100% crop focused on the tiny white round piece of dust on the metal plate in the center obviously a different F-Stop ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325337-leica-sl2-shutteribis-induced-motion-blur/?do=findComment&comment=4294278'>More sharing options...
asaiah Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share #33 Posted October 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Shawn30 said: You asked about other focal lengths. 1st photo Leica 35 SL @ f5.6 1/80 cropped, hand held, ibis, mechanical shutter 2nd Leica vario‑elmar‑r 75-200 @ 75mm f4.5 1/80 hand held, ibis, mechanical shutter Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Thanks for those Shawn, they look quite good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoreserve Posted October 17, 2021 Share #34 Posted October 17, 2021 vor 6 Stunden schrieb jaapv: On a side note, Panasonic has a setting that will. activate electronic shutter for the speeds affected automatically and advises in the manual to use it as the default setting. Indeed. Why LEICA didn't implement such a setting in FW 3.0??? Hope dies last...🙁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted October 17, 2021 Share #35 Posted October 17, 2021 SL2S + Elmarit R 180mm V2 IBIS ON Mech Shutter 1/125th Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/325337-leica-sl2-shutteribis-induced-motion-blur/?do=findComment&comment=4294357'>More sharing options...
Shawn30 Posted October 17, 2021 Share #36 Posted October 17, 2021 8 hours ago, asaiah said: Thanks for those Shawn, they look quite good. YW, I was surprised how much CA there is with the 35 SL though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted October 17, 2021 Share #37 Posted October 17, 2021 15 hours ago, jaapv said: If you read through the threads on long lenses (not a wideangle like 75 mm ), you'll find that the issue is mentioned quite often. In fact, as soon as a poster complains about soft results (and suspects a focus issue ) the first advice he gets is to use electronic shutter. On long lenses the problem can even persist throughout the shutter speed range. The thing is that IBIS - or OIS - cannot compensate for the frequency generated by shutter shock; if it tries to compensate it may make matters worse. This is even the case with the camera on a tripod. On a side note, Panasonic has a setting that will. activate electronic shutter for the speeds affected automatically and advises in the manual to use it as the default setting. Most cameras enable electronic shutter automatically at high speeds only. Are you thinking of electronic first curtain instead of electronic shutter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asaiah Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share #38 Posted October 17, 2021 15 hours ago, jaapv said: If you read through the threads on long lenses (not a wideangle like 75 mm ), you'll find that the issue is mentioned quite often. In fact, as soon as a poster complains about soft results (and suspects a focus issue ) the first advice he gets is to use electronic shutter. On long lenses the problem can even persist throughout the shutter speed range. The thing is that IBIS - or OIS - cannot compensate for the frequency generated by shutter shock; if it tries to compensate it may make matters worse. This is even the case with the camera on a tripod. On a side note, Panasonic has a setting that will. activate electronic shutter for the speeds affected automatically and advises in the manual to use it as the default setting. Thanks for the information jaapv, I suppose I'm fortunate to gravitate to wider angle lenses. I suspect the Ibis is in many cases making matters worse as I did notice some improvement when Ibis was off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted October 17, 2021 Share #39 Posted October 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, asaiah said: Thanks for the information jaapv, I suppose I'm fortunate to gravitate to wider angle lenses. I suspect the Ibis is in many cases making matters worse as I did notice some improvement when Ibis was off. Please share situations where you saw improvements with IBIS off. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asaiah Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share #40 Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, SrMi said: Please share situations where you saw improvements with IBIS off. Thanks! Sorry I've been slow on that, the weekend has been over scheduled. I'll try to get some up later tonight. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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