KJB Posted September 1, 2007 Share #61 Posted September 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I currently have been using the CV15, 21asph, and Nocti as a three lens travel setup. The 15cv rarely gets used, the 21apsh is fantastic but a bit too wide as a walkaround (28 would be perfect), and the 50 serves as a great short tele. I've ordered a WATE, will order a 28cron, and am debating whether to replace the Nocti with the 50 lux asph to save the weight. So I'll have the WATE, 28cron, and 50asph as my travel setup eventually. I am looking to optimize my lenses I carry around when travelling - so far I only have the WADE for the M8 - which other lenses do you recommend. I am thinking of : 1. Summilux M 1:1.4 / 35 Asph. or 2,0/28mm Asph. Summicron 2. Summilux-M 1,4/50mm Asph or Noctilux 3. APO-Summicron-M 2,0/90mm Asph. Pls. let me know your opinion on the most favourite set-up respectively what you would go for as favourite lens-set. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Hi KJB, Take a look here TOP travel lens-set for M8. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
tbarker13 Posted September 1, 2007 Share #62 Posted September 1, 2007 "This board absolutely does not understand any of the different work going on in the world. Open any magazine and find out. There is no such thing as a Leica style." I don't really believe this to be true. I do think this board understands that there is a wide range of photography happening out in the world. Maybe it is just that those who have grown up with Leicas are having a harder time adjusting to the idea that some of that other photography is now being done with the Leica, specifically the M8. As for the comment about there being no such thing as a Leica style - it would be a sad day for me if I thought that were true. I would imagine that everyone will define things differently. But for me, the M range will always be about simplicity and the ability to document moments of life without having to bring artificial light sources (I do not personally own a flash) into the equation. I'm tickled to death that other photographers have found uses for these wonderful cameras and lenses. After all, a healthy Leica Camera Co. is good for all of us. But I will always identify a certain style of photography (I think of it as documentary photography) with the M-range of Leica equipment. Maybe that will change over time. But it hasn't yet. At least not for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted September 1, 2007 Share #63 Posted September 1, 2007 I guess were all just photojournalist than. I don't want to shoot like any of them or emulate any of there work, there are other shooters out there doing other things.This board absolutely does not understand any of the different work going on in the world. Open any magazine and find out. There is no such thing as a Leica style. It's a sensor with a lens in a box period. There is the main course Newton and Sieff were magazine photographers who did a lot of fashion work .... Most peole using an M for weddings (like Sean for instance) shoot very diferent style wedding---- than weddingphotographers using other cameras... they shoot mostly in a .......documentary stile ...... I know a lot of people on this forum use ther M8 as a substitute for a DSLR because of imaquality and quality of the lenses..... but that is not the essence of a rangefinder ......! The essence are compactness/ simplicity and above all the way of framing .... where you are able to see people move in and out the frame ........ The initial question was about a trip ... documenting a trip ........ a one or two lens setup makes this perfectly possible ............ THAT IS core Leica M territory and done for ages by professionals and amateurs alike with very few lenses. Take David Alan Harvey, who uses the M8 with just a 28mm, for instance ...... just guess the number of lenses used for his Cuba work he did on film ....... Magnum Search results for: Cuba People who want to shoot church-interiors, flower close-ups, landscapes and birds in flight during an outing are realy better of with a DSLR and a couple of zooms! I realy do not want to tell anybody how to use an M ..... and sure .. you CAN use it if it were just another camera ..... but it is not ..... FORTUNATELY! Use your M like you want Guy .... and i am convinced you and your customers are very happy with it .......but be aware you are and always will be an exception ... nothing wrong with that off course;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2007 Share #64 Posted September 1, 2007 People who want to shoot church-interiors, flower close-ups, landscapes and birds in flight during an outing are realy better of with a DSLR and a couple of zooms! Being clearly the one this dig is aimed at, I cannot but disagree. Many of my shots would not have been taken, or at least not as easily or well, with a DSLR. I have taken nearly forty years to learn that and I have discarded that road. RF and SLR overlap in many fields and it is a matter of personal skill and inclination which type works best in the hands of the individual photographer. This view of the use of a rangefinder camera limits its use far below its capabilities. One could as well say that a high quality point and shoot, suitable for the limited field of street photography only, is all an M camera is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
usefeet Posted September 1, 2007 Share #65 Posted September 1, 2007 For travelling light (minimum weight, and minimum fussing), I would take just 2 lenses, a 28 and a 50. Summicrons is all you need with the M8, for low light just raise the camera's sensitivity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted September 1, 2007 Share #66 Posted September 1, 2007 Being clearly the one this dig is aimed at ------- You are not the only one Jaap.. and it is not a flame i hope you understand..... but i just get the impression this forum is very a-typical when it come to using an M ....... reading some threads i still have to check once in a while if i am not logged in at Fred Mirandas Canon Forum :D I disagree the M8 is the best camera for those jobs ....... but everybody has to decide for themselves .......... it is good for Leica and i have no problems with it ..... just hope this apparently new customer base will not result in further compromises of the core M design ............ BTW ... you are right the M8 is a very point and shoot type camera when used for streetphotography ..... no time to focus ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted September 1, 2007 Share #67 Posted September 1, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I disagree the M8 is the best camera for those jobs ....... but everybody has to decide for themselves .......... it is good for Leica and i have no problems with it ..... just hope this apparently new customer base will not result in further compromises of the core M design ............ BTW ... you are right the M8 is a very point and shoot type camera when used for streetphotography ..... no time to focus ..... Having spent a (very small) amount of time with film M's, and (now) quite a lot of time with the M8, I'm definitely coming at this as a 'new convert'. Although I agree with you about the 'core values' of the M, and I'm very excited about the way it has changed my photography (mostly people shots), I think that you are missing a trick - a digital leica has many advantages over a film one - clearly it's not much use for action shots at a distance, but it's good for landscape and close ups - because the accuracy of the framelines really isn't so critical if you can review the image immediately. I hope that I'm learning to use the M8 in the 'leica spirit', but I really do think that it's useful for a lot of things for which a film leica is not really practical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 1, 2007 Share #68 Posted September 1, 2007 People who want to shoot church-interiors, flower close-ups, landscapes and birds in flight during an outing are realy better of with a DSLR and a couple of zooms! I realy do not want to tell anybody how to use an M ..... and sure .. you CAN use it if it were just another camera ..... but it is not ..... FORTUNATELY! Use your M like you want Guy .... and i am convinced you and your customers are very happy with it .......but be aware you are and always will be an exception ... nothing wrong with that off course;) Why even speculate in which style a Leica M to be used by famous photographers. PersonalIy only see 3 areas where the M has shortcomings: - constructed images where you have to see 100% what you get - action with telelenses - long reach In the end I even take more macro with the M compared to the SLR. Why? Because the 90/4.0 is so light I take it with me more often (on hikes for example) than I would bring my 150mm macro lens for Nikon SLR. Landscapes...often I see the most beautiful landscapes or the most interesting light on hikes, or outdoors, far away from a car. Bring the M with the wate and a 50mm and a 90mm lens, all in a small bag. With the Frankenfinder I even level the M8 at least as accurate as a SLR. And than there is the lag of mirror slap. Another thing I realized that often I see a scene which I feel looks interesting, then take a first image, then take some more images which I take more time, being more constructed, and often the first spontanous image seems to be the better one. No matter for what the M is intended to wrk well, everybody should find out for what it works for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielt Posted September 1, 2007 Share #69 Posted September 1, 2007 One body with MATE (28-35-50) and a second body with 2.8/90mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 1, 2007 Share #70 Posted September 1, 2007 Newton and Sieff were magazine photographers who did a lot of fashion work .... Most peole using an M for weddings (like Sean for instance) shoot very diferent style wedding---- than weddingphotographers using other cameras... they shoot mostly in a .......documentary stile ...... I know a lot of people on this forum use ther M8 as a substitute for a DSLR because of imaquality and quality of the lenses..... but that is not the essence of a rangefinder ......! The essence are compactness/ simplicity and above all the way of framing .... where you are able to see people move in and out the frame ........ The initial question was about a trip ... documenting a trip ........ a one or two lens setup makes this perfectly possible ............ THAT IS core Leica M territory and done for ages by professionals and amateurs alike with very few lenses. Take David Alan Harvey, who uses the M8 with just a 28mm, for instance ...... just guess the number of lenses used for his Cuba work he did on film ....... Magnum Search results for: Cuba People who want to shoot church-interiors, flower close-ups, landscapes and birds in flight during an outing are realy better of with a DSLR and a couple of zooms! I realy do not want to tell anybody how to use an M ..... and sure .. you CAN use it if it were just another camera ..... but it is not ..... FORTUNATELY! Use your M like you want Guy .... and i am convinced you and your customers are very happy with it .......but be aware you are and always will be an exception ... nothing wrong with that off course;) But everything you just refered to is documentry style or journalist. You still have to look beyond that and your not I'm sorry when i said look at a magazine. Look at the ads, jewelry, cars, makeup, cloths, vacations you name it anything can be shot with it and it may not be mainstream but there is a world were a M system fits into besides the same old journalist style. What i am saying is broaden those horizons. Yes it is a simple small quiet unique way of working and works good in certain area's . And the point being in all this you can't just use one lens in all of this. Frankly sticking to one lens you miss the creative look of other lenses in the wides and in the tele's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2007 Share #71 Posted September 1, 2007 you are right the M8 is a very point and shoot type camera when used for streetphotography ..... no time to focus ..... Surely an AF camera would be more practical? But no, you choose a RF because you want the minimum of hard- and software between your eye and the decisive moment. The same goes obviously for portraits - surely nothing is as fleeting as an expression - or birds in flight - try to get it right with AF SLR shutterlag -nearly impossible - and even landscapes: in this (film ) example I needed the moving geese to be exactly where they are - again RF territory.... The purpose of many of my posts is to debunk this limited view of the lack of usefulness of rangefinders in serious photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 1, 2007 Share #72 Posted September 1, 2007 guy........ u say that not all good images are done with leica...... ?? not all the magazines are filled with leica made pics in leica slogan style pornography ???? what the bulshit is that ????????? ) we all know...... i got leica and u got leica cause we want to be magazines..... even if most of the magazines are shit (photographicaly talking, and their stupid infantile writting style is a shame even for high school student many times)........... well , one thing i didnt know till now though........... i didnt know that i have to get lenses from 12 to 135 to get in those half shit magazines ......... wow wow im proffesional commersial what ever photographer........ wow u see....... every day u learn some thing new....... now i understand...... lazy me..... i have to take more lenses to get good images........ no , i have to take aloooooooooooooot of lenses.......... not eassy for me....... but what a liberation for u GUYS with all the SLR shit huge bags u used to carry around (god know for what good) so im putting an order for all those lenses and sending u a ticket to fly over here..... u voluteered to carry all the stuff rite ? ) ah and with all the stuff u will cary, i will still have with me a little mp+50mm just in case that i will be in the mood of making some good photo...... no guy .......... we are not about only one lens......... it is U GUYS about obssesive infantile pornography...... or as u call it ..... proffessional-magazine photography - or the one dimensional convictions u have about it....... i am not HCB , love him very much but do not emulate etc... i prefer to be myself...... im good enough for that............... not HCB, not photojournalist not irving penn, not paolo roversi - and if not like them then surely i dont want to emulate all the crap in half shit magazines........ ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 1, 2007 Share #73 Posted September 1, 2007 Sorry if i went off on the side road there . It just bugs me that some folks think the M8 has big limitations out there. It really does not , you just need to know what they are and work around it for any type of photography. Okay i will move off this thread, my suggestion is just take a broader view of what it can do than what it can't do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 1, 2007 Share #74 Posted September 1, 2007 Victor your so far off base, i can't even come back with a comment because you misinterperted every word i said. Have a great weekend . i'm done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
j. borger Posted September 1, 2007 Share #75 Posted September 1, 2007 Sorry if i went off on the side road there . It just bugs me that some folks think the M8 has big limitations out there. As a last point and then i am out here too ....... first: i see no limitations using the M8 for all types of photography with the exception of macro and tele .... The initial question however was about a lensset for a trip. My only point was that you do not need every focal length in the world covered to shoot great pictures on a vacation/trip ......... do you realy think you miss one serious photo opportunity on a trip if you have only a 28 on a camera instead of a 24 AND a 28 AND a 35 AND a MATE in a bag ....... i doubt it .... you are probably swapping lenses when the action unfolds or the short moment the light was extraordinary.... The argument also holds for primes on a DSLR or whatever camerasystem ..... You say use the M8 for any photo opportunity .. work around things .... ok same holds for lenses ..... make work what is on the camera...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 1, 2007 Share #76 Posted September 1, 2007 As a last point and then i am out here too ....... first: i see no limitations using the M8 for all types of photography with the exception of macro and tele .... The initial question however was about a lensset for a trip. My only point was that you do not need every focal length in the world covered to shoot great pictures on a vacation/trip ......... do you realy think you miss one serious photo opportunity on a trip if you have only a 28 on a camera instead of a 24 AND a 28 AND a 35 AND a MATE in a bag ....... i doubt it .... you are probably swapping lenses when the action unfolds or the short moment the light was extraordinary.... The argument also holds for primes on a DSLR or whatever camerasystem ..... You say use the M8 for any photo opportunity .. work around things .... ok same holds for lenses ..... make work what is on the camera...... So see - we are all in agreement after all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted September 1, 2007 Share #77 Posted September 1, 2007 My take is there are multiple schools of thought on what constitutes an ideal travel kit. Call it minimalist versus opportunist... One wants to be free of spurious gear, enjoy the sights and get some great pics, while the other want to focus on the photo ops and get as many winners as possible. The first requires a camera and one, maybe two lenses, the second may require two bodies and 5 or 6 lenses. The minimalist looks for images that fit the lens(es) he or she has, the opportunist swaps lenses to fit the image they are seeing. Neither is wrong just as neither is right; use what works for you and your style. Personally, I do both/either depending on the location/destination, but that's *me*. I find the minimalist approach is best (for me) when I'm with the family and/or at a fairly common location -- it just suits my casual approach to shooting better. However, if I'm heading to a special place, specifically to do photography, I'm usually more than willing to carry additional gear since it usually means more net image opportunities. And if I need to, I can easily go into one-lens-for-everything shooting mode if the situation calls for it. Now, does it have to be an M system? No. But the M system allows me to carry more for a given weight/bulk on the shoulder. Other advantages to the M have been discussed ad-nausea, and I'll not go into detail on all of them here, but for the most part I think most are valid; unobtrusive, discreet, compact and fast to frame and shoot. But compared to a DSLR, the M downright sucks if you need more than 135mm of focal length, like at a sporting event, auto or motorcycle race, bullfight, concert, etc. Can also suck if you have poor eyesight and need AF. Can also suck more if you don't understand the basics of photography for image capture and need the best AE and/or AWB available So -- and IMO only -- the M8 is far from perfect and not without its warts. But for photographers that understand its shortcomings AND know something about photography, they are relatively easy to work around, and I (we?) happily do so to enjoy its advantages. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_hughes Posted September 1, 2007 Share #78 Posted September 1, 2007 When I had my R-D1 bodies, I found I typically used the CV 21mm f4 on one and the 90mm f2.8 Elmarit on the other. Now, with my M8s, I find I'm still using the 21mm on one but tending to the CV 75mm on the other. In a small waist pouch, I carry the CV12mm and the 28mm Ultron. As an aside, I can't for the life of me decipher vic vic's posts, I cringe at lack of, or excessive punctuation and caps, but I have to admit that he has some really excellent images on his website. As they say, "variety is the spice of life." Cheers, Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 1, 2007 Share #79 Posted September 1, 2007 minimalist looks for images that fit the lens(es) he or she has, the opportunist swaps lenses to fit the image they are seeing. Neither is wrong just as neither is right; use what works for you and your style. bottom line i am the latter, just the way i work. i don't use the camera until i need to get it on the card it's the last thing i do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted September 2, 2007 Share #80 Posted September 2, 2007 guy and jack.......... ah ..... now i understand......... obssessive gear collectors that instead of thinking about pic they get in rush and with schizophrenic enjoyenment exchange the lesnes and the bodies.......... ah...... that is called photographic school.......... rite ? ) ah jack ..... minimalists............. oh ya...... tell me ........ u both became writters and critiques of photography.......... talking about meta-photography........ about schools.......... ya sure....... compact camera (oh two comapcts cameras) and 1000000000000000000000000000000000000 lenses in the bag is school.......... im laughing like crazy.......... u simply convinced me now....... what an argument......... no guy i have not misunderstood u or misinterprate u......... i just take your words one step further......... beyond their litteral and simplistic meaning of how much lenses u have in your bag ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.