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2 hours ago, omega1848 said:

Thanks folks!

Well of course you can always crop better in post, but if you prefer to align and compose during the shot a native crop displayed in the viewfinder or LCD screen is much more helpful, like on the SL.

A matter of taste. I don't really need a viewfinder to visualize and compose my images. I guess that is true for most Leicaistes who cut their photographic teeth on M cameras.

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On 4/1/2021 at 7:16 PM, jaapv said:

A matter of taste. I don't really need a viewfinder to visualize and compose my images. I guess that is true for most Leicaistes who cut their photographic teeth on M cameras.

All I have ever used is 35mm film and APS-C sensors. 3:2 comes very natural to me. What is more of a test is seeing a color image in B&W. Will there be enough contrast to make it interesting?

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By turning on the grid overlay (MENU > CAPTURE ASSISTANTS > GRID), I can easily estimate 1:1, 4:5, 3:4, and 9:16 format proportions by looking at the grid lines over the image. It doesn't seem that difficult to me.. 🤔

Just be sure you tap the center button on the four-way controller to shut off the other parts of the information display so you can see the whole field of view overlaid by the grid.

Regards visualizing B&W, well, I never had a display that rendered natural color views into B&W before digital happened (lessee, I started doing photography in 1964, so that was about forty years with only film...) so I learned just what B&W filter to use to enhance contrasts and separate tonal ranges based upon colors in the scene by my unaided eye long, long ago. Nowadays, I load the raw files into LR or other tools and futz with the color channels to adjust tonal balances when I want to render to B&W... :D ... It's more of a post-visualization approach rather than a pre-visualization approach.

A raw file is never a final rendered photograph anyway. Just capture the data and do what you intend with it.

G

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4 hours ago, ramarren said:

By turning on the grid overlay (MENU > CAPTURE ASSISTANTS > GRID), I can easily estimate 1:1, 4:5, 3:4, and 9:16 format proportions by looking at the grid lines over the image. It doesn't seem that difficult to me.. 🤔

Just be sure you tap the center button on the four-way controller to shut off the other parts of the information display so you can see the whole field of view overlaid by the grid.

Regards visualizing B&W, well, I never had a display that rendered natural color views into B&W before digital happened (lessee, I started doing photography in 1964, so that was about forty years with only film...) so I learned just what B&W filter to use to enhance contrasts and separate tonal ranges based upon colors in the scene by my unaided eye long, long ago. Nowadays, I load the raw files into LR or other tools and futz with the color channels to adjust tonal balances when I want to render to B&W... :D ... It's more of a post-visualization approach rather than a pre-visualization approach.

A raw file is never a final rendered photograph anyway. Just capture the data and do what you intend with it.

G

1964! Year of my first camera too, an Olympus making half-size 18x24mm pics on 35mm film... APS-C avant la lettre, as it were. But I digress 😉

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On 4/5/2021 at 12:03 AM, JayBird said:

All I have ever used is 35mm film and APS-C sensors. 3:2 comes very natural to me. What is more of a test is seeing a color image in B&W. Will there be enough contrast to make it interesting?

If you postprocess properly, yes. 

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I have a D-Lux 7 that I use for travel in addition to my Hassy X1D.  Also use it for some street photography & car shows.  Generally I've been happy with the images as they're mostly posted on social media and not printed.  The camera has some nice features and is easy to use and carry around.  One of the things I do like about it is the ability to change aspect ratios from the adjustment on the lens.  

Lately I've been seriously considering the CL with the 18-56mm lens to start.  I also have an Elmarit-R 35mm f/2.8 that could be used with an adapter.  The thing that draws me to the CL is the ability to change lenses and the bigger APS-C sensor.  I'd miss not being able to change aspect ratios, but that's not a deal breaker.  Most importantly, and what I'm not sure of, is whether or not the image quality is going to be that much better.  Looking at sample images online hasn't convinced me that they would be.   The cost really isn't a factor, but since the images would be (mostly) posted online I'm not sure it's worth it.  

Has anyone done any kind of comparison between these two cameras?  My Leica dealer here in Las Vegas has invited me to come down to the store and take some images with the CL on my own SD card, which I am going to do.  That way I could process them with my own PC & software and make a decision, and they just might get a sale.  

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