28mm Summaron Lens Hood Question

[a.noctilux]

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As my zen master told me:

Do as you like, with time you would like differently.

[alainD]

34 minutes ago, Steven said:

But the search for the holy grail surely comes with a few sacrifices along the way. So I sacrifice myself and own many Leica lenses ! 

Steven,

The way I can describe both lenses is by comparing to listening to music. The Summaron is like putting  a live-recorded Jazz vinyl LP 33rpm on a turntable and play it from a tube amplifier. The Elmarit is like listening to studio-recorded rock-n-roll  CD playing on a modern electronic amplifier. Very different experience!

Alain

[Aryel]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

Very interesting thoughts Arnaud, although I still dont know which one to chose. Leaning towards the summaron right now. 

- Another pro of the Elmarit is that it will feel better on my SL2S than the Summaron. 

- Another con of the Summaron is that I would need to change lens at night. Unless I load some Ilford 3200 in my M7 and/or switch my M10P to black and white to avoid horrible low light photos. 

I really like the summaron with delta 3200. Just beware f5.6 at iso 3200 is still fairly challenging at times. 

Do you mind if I derail the thread even further by adding one contender (i think the op already placed his order). I really love the summaron and it killed my 28 elmarit pre-asph (for me). However,  sometime f5.6 is a bit too limiting though. Did anyone tried the w-nikkor 28 f3.5 ltm? Any idea how it compare to the summaron-m?

Edited March 16, 2021 by Aryel

[Fedro]

I had both at some point, I loved the Elmarit (had it for many years) especially on film. Loved the look of the Summaron on the monochrome

That said, with the Summaron I kept bumping against the 1 meter limit and putting my fingers in front of it, so eventually I sold it. It is a fine lens, but not for someone with largish hands like me

[a.noctilux]

24 minutes ago, alainD said:

Steven,

The way I can describe both lenses is by comparing to listening to music. The Summaron is like putting  a live-recorded Jazz vinyl LP 33rpm on a turntable and play it from a tube amplifier. The Elmarit is like listening to studio-recorded rock-n-roll  CD playing on a modern electronic amplifier. Very different experience!

Alain

Thanks Alain to remind me that.

This leads me to want to "know" valve/tube amplifier to play my 33T LP.  on my newly acquired Transrotor Max and Lyra Delos

I've never had tube amp.

[alainD]

1 hour ago, a.noctilux said:

This leads me to want to "know" valve/tube amplifier to play my 33T LP.  on my newly acquired Transrotor Max and Lyra Delos

I've never had tube amp.

I had a Grado cartridge on a VPI classic turntable connected to a Leben tube phono stage and  line Ligne magnetic 518ia tube amp and Devor speaker...
When Louis Armstrom was playing "St James Infirmary", he was in the room...

Alain

[SoarFM]

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3 hours ago, Steven said:

Awesome, merci for your answer. Looking forward to hear your thoughts on the Elmarit vs the Summaron. I am on the market for a compact 28 to complement my summilux, which I use mostly on my SL so the weight is finely balanced. But for the M, I'm looking into the Elmarit or the Summaron. 

Pros of the summaron: Price + Size + look of the lens + rendering. 

Pros of the Elmarit: the extra versatility with the wider aperture. 

The Summaron always seems a little more difficult to focus on the SL2 than even the 28 Summicron stopped down to 5.6. I don’t know why that is, but that’s my experience. The upside is that with a 28 at 5.6, critical focus, well, isn’t critical.😁

[Guest Nowhereman]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

Since we're currently skiing off road, someone told me the Ricoh GRIII renders similarly as the Summaron. I seriously doubt it, but since the first benefit of the summaron is to be compact, it'd be a fun, pocketable option, with AF included. 

Off road skiing can be interesting. I like the rendition of the Summaron 28 although, for the M10, it has more contrast than I would like: what I mean is that shooting into the light, or with strong sidelight, I have to underexpose more and push in post more than with lenses like the Summilux 35 FLE or with the DR Summicron — which bothers me in the sense that it's something you have to keep in mind if you haven't shot with the Summaron for a while, such as will be the case once when we come out of the Covid situation. 

I haven't been shooting film for about 1½ years — because the (good) labs I used in Chiang Mai and Bangkok both closed down — but found that with color film the Summaron often performed better than with the M10 color, as you can see in the threes shots in the first post of this thread. (I'm not sure that the rest of the thread is worth reading because, although the premise of the thread interested me, there were a series of comments that were assez merdique). In any case, I've tried several times to shoot the same scene again in equally stormy, dramatic light with the Summaron and the M10 but could never get the colors from the Portra 400 film, no matter how I processed the images. Someone in that thread said it was a matter of color depth, but I don't know about that.

I also have the Ricoh GRIII and maybe there is something in there being a similarity in the color rendition as that of the Summaron — especially if you shoot in the Positive Film JPG mode. Interestingly, I've found that shooting in this JPG mode, with some minor processing in Lightroom, I get better results than what I get by processing the DNG — or, at least, much less work is involved. With the GR III, I find the same thing for B&W by using the Hi-Contrast B&W JPG mode. You can adjust these JPG presets in-camera to get what you want, so that when post-processing in Lightroom you don't need to do much. Also, if you shoot DNG + JPG and have a shot in Positive Film (color), you can process the DNG file in camera to produce a second JPG with Hi-Contrast — or more JPGs in other modes. I wish Leica had JPGs that were this good.
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[Guest JMF]

4 hours ago, petermullett said:

Thank you Ouroboros, I appreciate your post on the lens and I think it will fit well with my other two 28's. I found a nearly new Summaron-M for sale yesterday and bought it today, it should be in my hands in a week or so after I return from a trip abroad.......Looking forward to trying it out!

Hi all, 

I am using this set up on the 28 Summaron . 

Not the most compact hood but zero vignetting, it keeps my fingers off the frame and fits the 28 Hektor 6,3 too .

Cheers, JM.

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7 minutes ago, JMF said:

Hi all, 

I am using this set up on my 28 Summaron . 

 

Cheers, JM.

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Interesting, thanks.....I did see a similar metal 34mm thread-screw in lens hood on Ebay today, dead cheap at around $5.00. Is this one of them? I thought for the price it might be worth getting one and cut that down if there's any protrusion in the VF........Better to do that with a cheapo Chinese knock-off to see it'll work rather than shave down the Leica one that seems to go for stupid money around $400!

[Guest JMF]

1 hour ago, petermullett said:

Interesting, thanks.....I did see a similar metal 34mm thread-screw in lens hood on Ebay today, dead cheap at around $5.00. Is this one of them? I thought for the price it might be worth getting one and cut that down if there's any protrusion in the VF........Better to do that with a cheapo Chinese knock-off to see it'll work rather than shave down the Leica one that seems to go for stupid money around $400!

Peter,

actually I had bought the e34 hood. The e43 step up unables to use a filter with no vigneting.

 

Thanks, JM

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[alainD]

50 minutes ago, JMF said:

actually I had bought the e34 hood. The e43 set up unables to use a filter with no vigneting.

Could you please give a pointer where to buy this?

Alain

[Guest JMF]

18 minutes ago, alainD said:

Could you please give a pointer where to buy this?

Alain

Alain,

I found the step up ring and hoods on eBay , there are some right now from chinese vendors: search for "wide hood eXX" or "step up ring 34 43".

Best, Jean-Marc.

 

Edited March 16, 2021 by JMF

[Guest Nowhereman]

^ Yes, I think it's a great camera — and I've started using a Ricoh GRD (tiny sensor) around 2006 and went on to the GRD2, GRD3 and still have the GRD4. For all of these, I liked the 21mm EFOV wide-adapter — and the 40mm EFOV tele-adapter that was available for the GRD2.

I also like the GRIII for one-handed shooting for street photography. All these Ricoh cameras have had a cult following, but no good photo forums, except in Japan and, possibly, in Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and China.
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[didier]

3 hours ago, JMF said:

Hi all, 

I am using this set up on the 28 Summaron . 

Not the most compact hood but zero vignetting, it keeps my fingers off the frame and fits the 28 Hektor 6,3 too .

Cheers, JM.

Very interesting Thread !

I was thinking for some time at buying a (reedition) Summaron but I just inherited a 1938 Hektor 6,3/28

The ultra compact size is nice. So far I didn't really test it, just a few shots with my CL

@JM and all the others who own both, how would you rate the Hektor compared to the Summaron ?

thanks

Didier

 

[Guest JMF]

1 hour ago, didier said:

Very interesting Thread !

I was thinking for some time at buying a (reedition) Summaron but I just inherited a 1938 Hektor 6,3/28

The ultra compact size is nice. So far I didn't really test it, just a few shots with my CL

@JM and all the others who own both, how would you rate the Hektor compared to the Summaron ?

thanks

Didier

 

Didier, 

I  guess the Hektor will not be coated and have a lower contrast and more pastel colors than the Summaron . It will make a great compact combo to shoot outdoors .

Wide open, the Summaron will be sharper accross the frame than the Hektor yet I find that  the Hektor has a lot of charm/character .

Best, Jean-Marc.

PS I am talking about the original 1956 LTM Summaron.

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24 minutes ago, Steven said:

The Hektor sounds nice (to me), based on this description ! Pastel and character, nice! 

28 Hektor 1938 on M10:

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1938 Hektor 28 on CL (one of the 5 shots I made)

 

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22 hours ago, Steven said:

Joe Greer uses mainly the Elmarit, I think. I like his photography, both the street and landscape one. I see the elmarit as a lens you could leave glued to your M for a couple decades. 

The summaron less so. 

Still, I'm weirdly leaning towards the summaron. 

Hi Steven - I bought the Summaron about a month ago, no regrets and I really love it. Highly portable, leave it at 5.6 or f8 on an M and point a shoot - great image quality and slightly more vintage than the other current 28’s. I’ve been using it a lot on my M10M and find that combo a lot more fun than the Q2 for street/documentary stuff  

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Well I had found an affordable deal on a 28mm Summaron in France about four weeks ago and it was sent pretty much right away, however it spent nearly all that time in various Chronopost depots around the South and Southwest of the country before finally consenting to being delivered to me, ( also in SW France ), yesterday. Frustrating, but well worth the wait now it's in my hands. I really do like this lens. No problem with handling despite the extremely compact size and I do like the test results shot so far, the lens has definitely an "older" look the way it renders and that along with it's size on an M I'm sure is going to make it a "keeper".

I do not like the over-large lens hood, that'll stay in the box, same with the metal lens cap that seems to want to escape far too easily and as it's replacement price is close to €100 that too will stay stored. Anyway I've already replaced it's function with a simple black plastic "squeeze" on locking cap for the grand sum of €2 including shipping. As others have pointed out the front element on the Summaron is well recessed and I feel the lens can shoot without the stupidly sized OEM lens hood, anyway I don't like the way it blocks the finder and for a hood to do that with such a shallow build of lens is ridiculous.There's also the fact that the OEM lens hood is priced I think at about +€400 so losing that would hurt some.............Anyway, here's the lens on the M10-P. I can't wait to try it soon on the M10-M, I think the characteristics of the 28mm Summaron will really shine on the B+W sensor.

And did I mention I like the size?

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