chris_tribble Posted March 13, 2021 Share #1 Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I always knew that the M10 would auto-destruct the moment that a new M iteration came along, and completely accepted the general wisdom that that new and APO is better than old and asph. NOT! While I might been tempted on the one hand by more megapixels, greater latitude, freedom from blown highlights, or on the other by perfect bokeh, spectacular resolution and distortion free images, I'm tending to resist. My resistance has been confirmed by a quick reality check on some images taken over the years with the M10 and an early Summicron M 35 (with a plastic lens hood!). Judge for yourselves. These will print perfectly at A3+ (which is the most I tend to do) - though my images have been used as 30 foot high theatre posters too. Of course the new M10r is lovely, and the 35 APO is great - and if I could afford one I might be tempted. But what I've got in my hands now is pretty damn good. I'll live with my obsolete kit for the moment 😉 The examples below are from a mix of professional reportage and personal work - the 35 Asph is my most used lens. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 13, 2021 by chris_tribble 14 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318866-living-with-obsolete-hardware/?do=findComment&comment=4159709'>More sharing options...
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chris_tribble Posted March 13, 2021 Author Share #2 Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) ... and as an example from today, on the same walk I've probably done over 200 times in the last year of Covid. Full frame + 100% centre + corner and + edge. IMHO the Summicton M 35 Asph is a little jewel and will be treasured and used for years to come... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 13, 2021 by chris_tribble 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318866-living-with-obsolete-hardware/?do=findComment&comment=4159710'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 13, 2021 Share #3 Posted March 13, 2021 Well, I'm still running M9s and as a low ISO shooter I've got used to the files they produce and am loath to upgrade because I like their output. I've printed to nearly 30" x 20" and sold the prints with no problems regarding print quality cannot see really needing more resolution. Eventually they will no doubt have to be replaced at which point I will have to see what is available but until that point is reached I am happy to keep using them. My M lenses range from 1968 to current and likewise, none give me any concerns that I cannot deal with. The latest and greatest are fine but for me they are not necessary and for the most part I have what suits me. If anything I would rather like to find well used 35 and 50 Summicrons from circa ~1970 rather than buy new lenses ..... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted March 13, 2021 Share #4 Posted March 13, 2021 +1 I buy shares from my money. OK, I am a economy refuser., I confess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted March 13, 2021 Share #5 Posted March 13, 2021 I like the messaging in this post and I wish I could exercise this prudence. Alas, I fail over and over again. The M10 and 35 Cron are both fantastic tools. I think I need therapy.. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good To Be Retired Posted March 14, 2021 Share #6 Posted March 14, 2021 At my age, I've got a fair number of pieces of obsolete equipment :) 4 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 14, 2021 Share #7 Posted March 14, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, dkmoore said: I think I need therapy.. Have you tried rental therapy? Jeff 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 14, 2021 Share #8 Posted March 14, 2021 Not meant as a joke. Cheap way to scratch the itch, and get the urge to buy out of your system. Or to justify the urge. Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanJW Posted March 14, 2021 Share #9 Posted March 14, 2021 Have lots of older lenses but could not resist the new APO 35 just as I could not resist the APO 50. I also could not resist the M10R. I feel no shame even if these are "wants" and not "needs." I am admittedly weak, but am immensely enjoying my failures of will. My failures also extend to other objects, like cars, but I have (only recently) successfully curbed urges for watches and pens and my computer is eight years old. Do I get credit for progress? My wife is a psychiatrist by the way, and has not had me committed . . . yet. 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Johnston Posted March 14, 2021 Share #10 Posted March 14, 2021 My Summicron 35 ASPH first version lives on my M10. They are a good fit and work well together for my needs. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share #11 Posted March 14, 2021 3 hours ago, AlanJW said: My failures also extend to other objects, like cars, but I have (only recently) successfully curbed urges for watches and pens and my computer is eight years old. Do I get credit for progress? My wife is a psychiatrist by the way, and has not had me committed . . . yet It sounds as if you deserve some credit - unless your eminently sensible wife has added hypnotism to her skill set unbeknown to you 😎 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 14, 2021 Share #12 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Quote I always knew that the M10 would auto-destruct the moment that a new M iteration came along, and completely accepted the general wisdom that that new and APO is better than old and asph. Make that "...the M10 resale/trade-in value would auto-destruct the moment that a new M iteration came along..." and we are closer to the bull's eye. I am facing this dilemma too - should I sell off my M-P 240 Safari set and replace it with an M10R? The M10R does have several upgrades that would be great to have, ISO 50,000 and the new 50% more quiet shutter being the most attractive of them all. Touch screen capability is nice, too. Or should I I sell off my M-P 240 Safari set and use the proceeds to acquire an APO 35 Summicron? Or perhaps an ASPH 28 Summilux? I would still have my Q2 for color if I did not get the M10R. The new lens (APO 35 Summicron or ASPH 28 Summilux) would be a welcome addition for use on my M10 Mono. But would being limited to the Q2's 28/1.7 Summilux be enough lens for color work (I am shooting mostly B&W these days). The M-P 240 has been an excellent camera and a good companion. But I have always felt "boxed in" exposure wise by its modest maximum ISO of 6400. It still has a lot of life left in it, but it is starting to feel like it's perhaps a good time to upgrade before it loses even more resale/trade-in value. Or should just I keep my Safari set? I think in terms of curating my Leica kit; these decisions are always difficult. They must be thought through carefully before taking action in order to avoid regret down the road. Edited March 14, 2021 by Herr Barnack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 14, 2021 Share #13 Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, Herr Barnack said: error 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share #14 Posted March 15, 2021 Which do you actually use most? Will your needs and projects change in the new normal? I’ve been able to avoid M GAS because I switched from Canon to SL2 and have put a shed load of cash into the two main zooms + APO 35 and 75, partly funding this by selling little used WATE, M 90 macro and a couple of Summarit lenses. I now have 2 M10s, CV 15 mkIII, 28 and 35 asph, 50 lux and 135 apo. For now I’ve A. run out of camera funds until I start to earn a bit more with the kit I have and B. really feel I have all I need (apart from the Sigma L Mount 105 macro). Once you’ve assessed needs and resources, of you go 😎 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted March 15, 2021 Share #15 Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, chris_tribble said: Once you’ve assessed needs and resources, of you go 😎 Resources or wants? I try to be somewhat objective and consequently own a Sony A7 based outfit (the minimum I have to - 20/1.8, 35/1.8, 50/2.8 macro & 90/2.8 macro) because it is a working system with attributes I have to have. It gets used for work and its not a system that I derive a great deal of pleasure from using. My M system on the other hand sees constant use and is always with me. It too earns, but I could not use it exclusively, so I do need another system. I also have a large format/historic lens set for pleasure which is so far removed from today's digital wonders in terms of its operation, that, apart from the fact that it produces images, it seems to have very little in common with either the Sony or Leica M systems. Using it is entering a different world. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share #16 Posted March 15, 2021 All good points. If I’m honest I suppose I could still manage quite well will a pair of Canon 5d mk 2s (a great camera) and modern f2.8 Canon 24-70 and 70-200 zooms. But i wanted more than that, so indulged in the purchase of ridiculously expensive Leica kit because I could. Height Ho. All my rational argument goes out of the window and I admit myself defeated. ... but I’ll still hold on to the M10s and the 35 cron asph 😎 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
poli Posted March 15, 2021 Share #17 Posted March 15, 2021 I don't think any of the mentioned camera's and lenses in this thread are obsolete...The definition of obsolete is no longer in use or no longer useful A digilux 1 or 3 and maybe the 2 I would call obsolete. But a 24mp camera capable of m-lenses won't be obsolete for quite some time. Unless you can no longer get the batteries, sd cards, etc. Don't worry and just enjoy the m10! (or M9, or M8..etc.). 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted March 15, 2021 Share #18 Posted March 15, 2021 I have discovered over the years that the longer i hold onto my M lenses and bodies the more they reward me with great images. After a great trip or after about a year of shooting with the a particular lens or body, muscle memory takes over and you kind of become one with it. Sometimes i come home, download the images, and am completely blown away by the fact that my favorite shot is one i don't remember taking. For this reason i am loathe to acquire lenses or bodies don't have an immediate need for. Here is one such "gift" from my M10-P and 35 FLE. New York City, Fall 2020 just before the US Presidential Elections Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318866-living-with-obsolete-hardware/?do=findComment&comment=4161345'>More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 15, 2021 Share #19 Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) On 3/13/2021 at 6:41 PM, dkmoore said: I like the messaging in this post and I wish I could exercise this prudence. Alas, I fail over and over again. The M10 and 35 Cron are both fantastic tools. I think I need therapy... I think I'm a chicken... Edited March 15, 2021 by Herr Barnack 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share #20 Posted March 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Herr Barnack said: I think I'm a chicken... Ah, the old trying to find a reason for crossing the road problem... 😎 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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