Kim Dahl Posted March 11, 2021 Share #41 Posted March 11, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 8 hours ago, Tom1234 said: I bought and returned a TL2 for the annoyances mentioned. Jumpy focus indication that worked one time then not another. The reconfigure-able menu system was cool but still not good enough to make it as simple needed. Decided that the small rear screen made it impossible to get all the data and options needed. Overall it was not worth the time to commit to it. It was so small that the lenses adapted outweighed the camera. I could go on… I decided that downsized smaller than full frame sensors just do not get the development money necessary to compete with full frame sensor cameras. I call all these downsized camera sensors "half frame" since that is about their sensor size plus or minus some. This lesson cost me well over $1,000 in trade-in accessory items and a lens bought for the TL2, since they were unsellable on ebay.. not one bid! From now on I only buy full frame where the market has decided the best image quality, feature set, and used market exist for a viable product and marketplace. I sometimes think the same thing. It does not appear that Leica or other camera manufacturers (Except Fuji) are betting on apsc. Regarding software update, the problem is that AF works better on Cl than Tl2. With the same technique it should be able to get up to the same level. Therefore, a software update is required on my part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted March 11, 2021 Share #42 Posted March 11, 2021 8 hours ago, Tom1234 said: Technically you are correct. Guess to me Still Format 24mm x 36mm is full frame… but in motion picture full frame is probably about half of the still format at 18mm x 24mm or they reverse it to 24mm wide x 18mm tall. Checkout in the attached print-screen Super 35mm, 4 perf, 4:3 full frame. I guess I am still annoyed at the silly Canon marketing campaign in the early 2000-s when they introduced the 1D and peddled the term full-frame to the gullible public that still falls for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volbeat Posted March 14, 2021 Share #43 Posted March 14, 2021 I think it's fair to say the T/TL2 require a firmware update OR Sigma has not properly formatted their latest lenses for those bodies. I recently bought a Sigma 56mm F1.4 DC DN and had to return it because of erratic auto-focus. In particular the cameras would give me a green box and beep to confirm focus AND it would look perfect on screen & through the EVF... until I pressed the shutter fully then it gave me a blur-fest. Not slightly off, totally useless. Roughly 40% of shots were miles out of focus, the others were wonderful! Worse on the TL2 than the T. Works fine on SL and CL Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318602-tl2-l-mount-broken-promise/?do=findComment&comment=4160657'>More sharing options...
Rob7P Posted June 30, 2021 Share #44 Posted June 30, 2021 On 3/14/2021 at 8:09 PM, Volbeat said: I think it's fair to say the T/TL2 require a firmware update OR Sigma has not properly formatted their latest lenses for those bodies. I recently bought a Sigma 56mm F1.4 DC DN and had to return it because of erratic auto-focus. In particular the cameras would give me a green box and beep to confirm focus AND it would look perfect on screen & through the EVF... until I pressed the shutter fully then it gave me a blur-fest. Not slightly off, totally useless. Roughly 40% of shots were miles out of focus, the others were wonderful! Worse on the TL2 than the T. Works fine on SL and CL Have you tryed some different settings? still problems on T and TL2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted July 1, 2021 Share #45 Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) That the lenses worked fine on the still supported CL and SL body (latest CL firmware 4.1 just delivered) is more an indication of where the performance of new lenses is going with the no longer supported T bodies. Sigma certainly is going to do nothing to assist performance of those lenses on a T model body. Seems relatively clear to me at least, support of the T series of cameras has ended and one needs to stick with lenses around as of when those bodies were supported if you want optimal performance, as no new updates are coming. Edited July 1, 2021 by Gregm61 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted July 1, 2021 Author Share #46 Posted July 1, 2021 (edited) I warned you for a long time. T/TL/TL2 owners did not get vocal enough. Guess what ? Leica left you on the side of the road. CL just got another firmware update. T/TL/TL2 ? Still nothing since October 2018. TL2 is stuck at v1.5 whereas CL is now at v4.1 TL2 is older by a few months. But Leica has disowned its least favourite child long ago. Do not buy any T line up bodies they are in fact not supported by Leica. And they never got the courtesy to told you so. Edited July 1, 2021 by nicci78 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RM8 Posted July 1, 2021 Share #47 Posted July 1, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) What a moanfest on this topic. Lovely deals to be made on TL2s, just got a brand-new "Demo" one from Vienna online store at 950+. Now sits as full auto point-and-click extension of my 55-135mm TL, good grip and next to no extra space in camera bag. Vacation here I come 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 2, 2021 Share #48 Posted July 2, 2021 I find it all a bit of consumeristic nonsense as well. I don’t even own/need a TL2 let alone a TL3. (I like the built-in flash of the TL) and I see very little to no photographic need for even more lenses. Leica will do what they will do with the series but there is no earthly need to spoil ones photographic pleasure with hand-wringing. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted July 3, 2021 Share #49 Posted July 3, 2021 I also love my TL2, I like it more every day. Of all the cameras that I have, this is the one that I use 95% and for what I need, it meets all the expectations I need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted July 3, 2021 Share #50 Posted July 3, 2021 If the T/TL/TL2 didn’t meet your needs in the first place why did you buy it? Some of the complainers make it sound like an optimistic version of “The Ugly Duckling” story with the hope that when you bought it, it would turn miraculously into something else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volbeat Posted July 3, 2021 Share #51 Posted July 3, 2021 Woa! I'm not having a moan. I love both my T and TL2. I have no desire for a TL3. However, I felt that other forum members should know that the newer L-Mount lenses (such as the Sigma 56mm F1.4 DC DN) don't work properly on T/TL2 bodies. On the up side I've found that the Manual Focus 7Artisans and TT-Artisan lenses are a dream to handle and amazing value for money. Cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 4, 2021 Share #52 Posted July 4, 2021 That is a hiccup that is not supposed to happen in the L Alliance. I wonder whether the fault lies with Leica or Sigma. I do know that the Sigma 100-400 did not work properly on the CL until Leica came with a firmware update. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simone_DF Posted July 4, 2021 Share #53 Posted July 4, 2021 9 hours ago, jaapv said: That is a hiccup that is not supposed to happen in the L Alliance. I wonder whether the fault lies with Leica or Sigma. I do know that the Sigma 100-400 did not work properly on the CL until Leica came with a firmware update. Probably both? Meaning: maybe Sigma doesn't give a crap about the TL, but Leica should enforce more stringent compatibility rules to be part of the L alliance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
serhan Posted July 4, 2021 Share #54 Posted July 4, 2021 14 hours ago, jaapv said: That is a hiccup that is not supposed to happen in the L Alliance. I wonder whether the fault lies with Leica or Sigma. I do know that the Sigma 100-400 did not work properly on the CL until Leica came with a firmware update. For Sigma adapter not working with CL, Sigma US customer service said Leica needs to issue a firmware. Leica is the one blocking it. Similarly I read TL lenses have problems with new FP L phase detection and Sigma was saying Leica needs to issue a firmware for the lenses. In m43 world, usually native lenses worked better with each camera manufacturers eg longer IBIS, lens corrections, etc but at least lenses were working when they were released. They need to work better with the L alliance. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 4, 2021 Share #55 Posted July 4, 2021 I wouldn't presume to say who should do what. But to me it is an open question whether Leica should adapt their firmware to fit a Sigma lens or that Sigma should design their lens that it can work on an existing Leica camera. In a way it is telling that there are no such problems with Panasonic. In any case, finger-pointing is in the interest of nobody, least of all the customer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted August 14, 2021 Share #56 Posted August 14, 2021 Leica's TL2 page now states "excluded from further L-mount related updates" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/318602-tl2-l-mount-broken-promise/?do=findComment&comment=4256472'>More sharing options...
frame-it Posted August 14, 2021 Share #57 Posted August 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, FrozenInTime said: Leica's TL2 page now states "excluded from further L-mount related updates" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! a good camera killed off...a new TL3 with a cropped SL2S sensor without IBIS + new processor would be amazing, but i guess that's the CL3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boojay Posted August 14, 2021 Share #58 Posted August 14, 2021 38 minutes ago, frame-it said: a good camera killed off...a new TL3 with a cropped SL2S sensor without IBIS + new processor would be amazing, but i guess that's the CL3 Such a shame... given that there was only around 4 months between the release of the TL2 and CL are we to expect the same to show up on the CL page I wonder. The CL has faired a lot better with firmware updates, if I was a TL2 owner I would be a little miffed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted August 14, 2021 Share #59 Posted August 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Boojay said: Such a shame... given that there was only around 4 months between the release of the TL2 and CL are we to expect the same to show up on the CL page I wonder. The CL has faired a lot better with firmware updates, if I was a TL2 owner I would be a little miffed. It does not inspire confidence or encourage users to invest even in the sigma lenses. It will be interesting to see in the M11-Visoflex , which is rumored work on the M10s will function on the TL2 ; perhaps a fallback mode than emulates the 020. 4 hours ago, frame-it said: a good camera killed off...a new TL3 with a cropped SL2S sensor without IBIS + new processor would be amazing, but i guess that's the CL3 I would rather a new TL3 than a CL2 ; the TL2 design is a thing of beauty, the CL far more utilitarian. I do wonder if the APS-C updates for Leica, Fuji and Ricoh and all, are held up waiting for Sony to deliver next generation sensors. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 14, 2021 Share #60 Posted August 14, 2021 Cameras do not need to be a thing of beauty to be used - I prefer utilitarian. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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