Complementary Camera to the M10M?

[dancook]

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I'm considering a used M10M and perhaps a 28mm lens to go with it.

Ignoring Sony A9's for my currently non-existent work, my other camera is a Hasselblad X907 with XCD 80 + XCD 45P.

This train of thought probably stems from G.A.S. - but I'm wondering what other people pair their M10M with? when they want colour.

My 'whatif' considerations are SL2-S + 50mm noctilux, or perhaps M10-R - but really I should probably stick with my X907 and stop wanting for something different, always thinking there's some perfect combination that will fill the void.

So what other camera are you using? or what would you pair up the M10M with?

 

I am personally shooting, mostly street/people/candid/live music/moody/low light/err my dogs

Edited February 6, 2021 by dancook

[Ken Abrahams]

Hi Dancook 

I am using an SL for colour however it doesn’t seem to get much use lately. I am using M lenses for either SL, M10M or M Monochrom. 
The SL2s would be a nice companion camera for the M10M, I think. The SL has been a great camera for me. I love the color and quality it produces. I would upgrade to SL2s if I was shooting more landscapes and  traveling to other cities. 

[FrozenInTime]

The M10M and SL2-S combination, both with the 40/1.2, works well for me in low light and for that medium format like depth of field during daytime.

If the subject is likely to have a lot of movement and situational dynamic, for color and the M10 wins over the SL2-S as I don’t want to buy any SL AF lenses.

[matthewm2]

The benefit to adding the SL2 is you can use your leica m lenses on it with little loss of quality. 

[Likaleica]

Smart phone.  Seriously.  My head can't get into using the M and SL2 at the same time.  Two completely different ways of making a photograph, so if I'm out with the M10M and see something I want in color, I just use the camera on my iPhone.  If I'm traveling to some photogenic place I'll bring the M10-P.  It really depends on the use, for me.  If I'm setting out purposefully to do landscapes, I will bring the SL2 with the M10M.  

I loved and preferred SLR's over rangefinders literally for decades, and thought I would be able to bond with mirrorless, but I just haven't been able to do so.  So, ever since the demise of the R system I started using the M system more and now it just feels so natural and right that I have a less fulfilling experience if I use a mirrorless camera.

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by Likaleica

[dancook]

Thanks all,

I've continued to dwell on it, and I've found myself researching the M9..

Perhaps the idea could be to get an M10M + M9, with fast 28/50 glass - and then consider the M11 when it comes out...  

Need to keep looking at M9 stuff

[chriscove]

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The Q2!! I have an M10M 23,35, 90 and a Q2. It fits in a small bag and is a great combo! 

[dancook]

10 minutes ago, chriscove said:

The Q2!! I have an M10M 23,35, 90 and a Q2. It fits in a small bag and is a great combo! 

I have had a couple of Q2 cameras and several Q cameras, it's certainly worth keeping in mind as a possibility

[Jeff S]

2 hours ago, Likaleica said:

Smart phone.  Seriously.  My head can't get into using the M and SL2 at the same time.  Two completely different ways of making a photograph, so if I'm out with the M10M and see something I want in color, I just use the camera on my iPhone.  If I'm traveling to some photogenic place I'll bring the M10-P.  It really depends on the use, for me.  If I'm setting out purposefully to do landscapes, I will bring the SL2 with the M10M.  

I loved and preferred SLR's over rangefinders literally for decades, and thought I would be able to bond with mirrorless, but I just haven't been able to do so.  So, ever since the demise of the R system I started using the M system more and now it just feels so natural and right that I have a less fulfilling experience if I use a mirrorless camera.

 

When I use my M9 Monochrom, it’s the only camera I carry.  The primary reason for my use of a Monochrom is to retain a b/w mindset and workflow.  Thinking color, I use either my M10 or SL2, use of which is easily determined by shooting purpose and conditions, as well as desired shooting experience. I don’t carry them together (except when traveling).
 

That’s what works for me to prevent conflicting gear thoughts, and to concentrate on pics.  I’d probably make even better pics with just one body (and one lens), and almost did that for 12 years with an M (and 3 lenses) after transitioning to digital. But I more recently added the Monochrom to return somewhat to my b/w film M roots, and an SL2 to cover my former SLR use (including the R), despite my dislike of EVF. I’m finding that it’s nice to mix things up a bit, as long as I don’t get mixed up in the process and avoid thinking about gear more than pics.  Less is more, to a point.  

Jeff

[Fedro]

X907, which you already have and has the best colour treatment I have seen in a digital camera 

If you want another RF, get the 10R - but pricey - or a used M10

But keep the Hassy

[FlashGordonPhotography]

If I go out with my M10M my M10R accompanies it. I use both interchangeably. If I go out with my X1D I don't take anything else.

To me the only proper companion to the M10M is the M10R. I can't see the point of any 24MP or lower camera when all your cameras are over 40MP now.

Gordon

[John Miranda]

Same here, M10M + M10R, fantastic combo, same platform.

[T25UFO]

My goto combination is the M10M with 50mm lens and a Q2.  I also have the Q2M and will sometimes pair this with the Q2.  I'm not a great advocate of cropping, but regularly shoot at 35mm on the Q2, and with a quality 50mm lens (mine is the APO) you can easily crop to the equivalent of 75mm on the M10M.

But If I had the 907X I really wouldn't look at another camera for colour work.  OK, maybe not ideal for street, but arguably the most desirable camera on the planet!  You also have the two best lenses - the wonderfully compact 45p and the optically excellent 80mm.  Rather than buy another camera, just spend the money on a wide angle lens, maybe the XCD 30mm.  At around £3,500 it's probably cheaper than buying another camera!

[dancook]

49 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

My goto combination is the M10M with 50mm lens and a Q2.  I also have the Q2M and will sometimes pair this with the Q2.  I'm not a great advocate of cropping, but regularly shoot at 35mm on the Q2, and with a quality 50mm lens (mine is the APO) you can easily crop to the equivalent of 75mm on the M10M.

But If I had the 907X I really wouldn't look at another camera for colour work.  OK, maybe not ideal for street, but arguably the most desirable camera on the planet!  You also have the two best lenses - the wonderfully compact 45p and the optically excellent 80mm.  Rather than buy another camera, just spend the money on a wide angle lens, maybe the XCD 30mm.  At around £3,500 it's probably cheaper than buying another camera!

My needs for the M10M primarily lie at 28mm for street photography, to replace my previous Q2. I often hipshoot - I've had times where the Q2 AF didn't lock and the picture didn't take, or it grabbed the background and if I were to zone focus at higher shutter speeds the ISO would not handle it well. 

It's not like I can't take good photos with the Q2, just that I have a desired way of working which I think the M10M will accommodate. Maybe i'll come back round to the Q2 if the M10M doesn't work out for me

The XCD 30mm would be nice, and I imagine i'll pick that up later when I'm actually earning money and not just recycling existing gear  (sounds like I've accepted I'll keep my X907! hah, tricked..)

Edited February 7, 2021 by dancook

[T25UFO]

36 minutes ago, dancook said:

My needs for the M10M primarily lie at 28mm for street photography, to replace my previous Q2. I often hipshoot - I've had times where the Q2 AF didn't lock and the picture didn't take, or it grabbed the background and if I were to zone focus at higher shutter speeds the ISO would not handle it well. 

It's not like I can't take good photos with the Q2, just that I have a desired way of working which I think the M10M will accommodate. Maybe i'll come back round to the Q2 if the M10M doesn't work out for me

The XCD 30mm would be nice, and I imagine i'll pick that up later when I'm actually earning money and not just recycling existing gear  (sounds like I've accepted I'll keep my X907! hah, tricked..)

The Q2M handles high ISO much better than the Q2.  Just set to f8, auto ISO and manual focus.  Should work well for your type of street, and certainly worth considering given the cost difference compared to M10M and 28mm.  Money saved might almost fund the XCD 30mm!

[dancook]

46 minutes ago, T25UFO said:

The Q2M handles high ISO much better than the Q2.  Just set to f8, auto ISO and manual focus.  Should work well for your type of street, and certainly worth considering given the cost difference compared to M10M and 28mm.  Money saved might almost fund the XCD 30mm!

i'll take a look at the Q2M again, but concerned it didn't get far enough with the high ISO - I understand the M10M goes further here - felt it could open up some interesting possibilities.

 

But, maybe Q2M is the answer - i'd say i've come full circle - but it's more like loop the loop 

Edited February 7, 2021 by dancook

[Rupert Greenwell]

If you are thinking about buying a M10M I would recommend that you try one first, I am a little disappointed with mine as I find that I have to use shutter speeds far higher than I am used to to avoid shake. There has been a bit of a debate about it with the M10R, some people get the shake but others don't. I have never had a problem with shake using 24mp cameras and I am thinking of giving up my M10M as it does not suit me. Luckily I still have a M246 and a MM1, both a bit battered but I still get very good results. 

[dancook]

Just now, Rupert Greenwell said:

If you are thinking about buying a M10M I would recommend that you try one first, I am a little disappointed with mine as I find that I have to use shutter speeds far higher than I am used to to avoid shake. There has been a bit of a debate about it with the M10R, some people get the shake but others don't. I have never had a problem with shake using 24mp cameras and I am thinking of giving up my M10M as it does not suit me. Luckily I still have a M246 and a MM1, both a bit battered but I still get very good results. 

I use my Hasselblad X907 50MP with XCD45 at 1/30th with no shake

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and I've used the Leica Q2 47 MP (/w ibis) at 1/15th and slower without shake too

I've never seen high MP cameras being a problems for me

[Marac]

The best Mono is the M9M

 

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On 2/6/2021 at 5:48 PM, Likaleica said:

..........I loved and preferred SLR's over rangefinders literally for decades, and thought I would be able to bond with mirrorless, but I just haven't been able to do so.  So, ever since the demise of the R system I started using the M system more and now it just feels so natural and right that I have a less fulfilling experience if I use a mirrorless camera.

 

I second these sentiments. I have tried quite a few times to "like" the SL, but that's mainly been when visiting a Leica Store to try one out, ( though one store did loan one to me for a couple of days for a longer trial ), the problem was that the stores also had a S type in too and of course I had to try that camera which has as we know a OVF, one of the best by far of any DSLR's out there and that just nulled the SL experience. When I look through any EVF that I've found to date, of any manufacturer, I am disappointed, there's still nothing like an OVF whether it's on a DSLR or a rangefinder viewing system. A personal choice I know, but there it is, we use what works for us best after trying other options.

For my "larger camera and long lenses" needs I use my Nikon D810, ( that took over from my R system when I went digital for work / pro' output ). The Nikon is built like a tank and like every Nikon SLR I've owned and used since my first FTn's it's utterly reliable and just as comfortable to handle for me as a SL and the OVF is excellent. With a OVF I can realistically judge the light more truly, an EVF will always lie.

All that being said, ( sorry, drifted from your original posting Dan ), I'd get a M10-P to compliment your Hassy......if you're really feeling adventurous though a M10-D would be a trip!

Edited February 8, 2021 by petermullett
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