New L-mount lenses just started shipping

[scott kirkpatrick]

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Since the start of the Christmas shopping season, sometime in September 2020, I have been seeing Sigma's 24/3.5, advertised about once every three screenfulls, no matter what I was viewing.  Also  Panasonic's 85/1.8 L-mount  lens., Both of them look like they might be useful, and (by Leica standards) they are dirt cheap.  Well, about Feb 1, they suddenly began to ship, and here is what they look like on SL2s:

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It is raining and cold out, so I haven't explored wither lens in depth yet.  The 85/1.8 is about the size of the 75 or 90 SL Summicron, and a bit lighter.  It focuses almost as close, but not quite.  Color rendition seems nice:

S1010646 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

The Sigma 24 is quite a bit smaller than  an SL-SC.  At its closest focus the field of view may be even less than the SL SC objective of 5:1.  Even at f/3.5 that leaves a pretty soft background:

U1050490 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

But you can push the DOF all the way up to f/22:\

U1050489 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

Edited February 4, 2021 by scott kirkpatrick

[Simone_DF]

I'm really interested in the Sigma 24mm. 

The Pana looks a solid option too, but I want to see how it compares to the Sigma 85mm

[scott kirkpatrick]

The Sigma 85 looks like a lot more lens, bigger, faster, more $$.  I have several manual focus R lenses  (80, 90, 100), so I am over telephotoed.  But I've been waiting for a 24, and the Leica Summicron 24 SL seems to be still at least a year away.  And the Sigma 24 is really tiny, like the slow but ultra sharp Super Elmars for the M.

[P1505]

The 24 is great. Had it a week, loving it. I see in 24 I think. It’s sharp, fast to focus, solid build. Yeah, for the money it’s a winner.

[Eclectic Man]

I just this afternoon attended a Zoom Webinar (Zoominar??) on full frame Leica cameras.  The presenter stated that the Leica SL f/2 lenses at 28mm, 24mm and 21mm were due this year.  It was organised by Wex Photographic, so not an 'official' Leica announcement, but still.  (No change on the uk.leica-camera.com web site at the moment.)

[MediaFotografie]

vor 6 Minuten schrieb Eclectic Man:

I just this afternoon attended a Zoom Webinar (Zoominar??) on full frame Leica cameras.  The presenter stated that the Leica SL f/2 lenses at 28mm, 24mm and 21mm were due this year.  It was organised by Wex Photographic, so not an 'official' Leica announcement, but still.  (No change on the uk.leica-camera.com web site at the moment.)

certainly we will see the Summicron-SL 28mm this year, but I have doubts for the other two lenses - we have to wait

[Eclectic Man]

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Whoops! My mistake the webinar was organised by Park Cameras.  Sorry for any confusion. :o(

[scott kirkpatrick]

I use a 24 mm on my M10 a lot, but being able to focus down to a few inches and update AF almost instantly makes some completely new things possible:

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U1050509 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr SL2 with Sigma 24@3.5

[beewee]

@scott kirkpatrick do you have the 24mm SEM as well to compare against?

My Sigma 24mm is on its way and SL2-S is also coming soon. I’ve been shooting the 24mm SEM on the M10 for a few years so it’ll be interesting to compare the various combinations:

Sigma 24mm on SL2/SL2-S

24mm SEM on SL2/SL2-S

24mm SEM on M10-R/M10

 

Looking at the other I series sigma lenses, I like the form factor but they don’t render bokeh quite as nicely as the Sigma 24mm f/3.5. There’s something unique about the 24/3.5 that reminds me of the bokeh from an M lens whereas the other lenses in the I series have a bokeh that reminds me more of cheaper zooms/primes.

[P1505]

Did anyone worry about bokeh before DigitalRevTV made it such a big thing?

[scott kirkpatrick]

I have the M 24 Elmarit-asph and the 21 SEM.  At various times i have shot everything with 21, 28 and now 24.  At 28, I have both the 28/2.8 asph (recent version) and the 28/1.4.

[scott kirkpatrick]

2 minutes ago, P1505 said:

Did anyone worry about bokeh before DigitalRevTV made it such a big thing?

Mike Johnston (The Online Photographer) gets credit for starting the whole thing back in the days of printed  photo mags.  It started in the Japanese literature, as a rarefied form of connoisseurship.  Ni-sen bokeh, swirly bokeh,  and other coma effects were easier to spot when lenses  were designed with pencil and paper.  "Buttery smooth "is a relatively new American thing.   Makes me think of peanut butter.

[Stuart Richardson]

"Bokeh" as a term is young, but concern for the area around the subject is old...as in older than photography. Keep in mind that our eyes are also lenses and have blur.

Here is an early photographic master. https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/clarence-hudson-white?phrase=clarence hudson white&sort=mostpopular

[P1505]

I just think - and apologies for going way off topic - that people worry about it instead of worrying about standing in front of something interesting.

Back on target - these lenses with the Sigma 85 have left me with a complete SL system. So now I’ve entered dangerous GAS territory as the SL collection is (almost complete - need to get the SL2).

Maybe an M10...

The 85 is glorious. The 45 is fun. The 24 is wonderful. Don’t need anything else.

[JeffWright]

12 hours ago, P1505 said:

Did anyone worry about bokeh before DigitalRevTV made it such a big thing?

Since I've never heard of DigitalRevTV, but I've been talking about bokeh for more than 20 years, I suspect so.

[scott kirkpatrick]

oHere's the closest I can come to a comparison of the new Sigma 24/3.5 L-mount and a non-existent Leica comparable product.  I used a M 28/1.4 - asph on a Leica M to L adapter.  I'm shooting a large set of photbook shelves, a bit over 4 m away so the 4-500 books fill about 1/4 of the frame (this is not a good way to inventory books -- the lens should be longer or the camera closer.).  Both shots at f/5.6.  First the Sigma (a crop at 100% near the center).

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and then the Leica 28 (camera moved about 20 cm back to keep the images about the same size.

U1050514 copy by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickris a bit more contrasty (look at "the Open Road

It's pretty clear that the 28 M Summilux is a bit more contrasty, and maybe a little sharper as well.  But both turn in renderings that we would have been excited about a few years ago, and one costs about one tenth as much as the other.  I'm happy.

 

Edited February 5, 2021 by scott kirkpatrick

[helged]

27 minutes ago, scott kirkpatrick said:

oHere's the closest I can come to a comparison of the new Sigma 24/3.5 L-mount and a non-existent Leica comparable product.  I used a M 28/1.4 - asph on a Leica M to L adapter.  I'm shooting a large set of photbook shelves, a bit over 4 m away so the 4-500 books fill about 1/4 of the frame (this is not a good way to inventory books -- the lens should be longer of the camera closer.).  Both shots at f/5.6.  First the Sigma (a crop at 100% near the center).

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U1050500 copy by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

and then the Leica 28 (camera moved about 20 cm back to keep the images about the same size.

U1050514 copy by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

 

Huge difference in favour of 28Lux-M. Particularly so when shot at about f5.6 - where both lenses should be close to sharpest.

Edited February 5, 2021 by helged

[scott kirkpatrick]

5 minutes ago, helged said:

Huge difference in favour of 28Lux-M. Particularly so when shot at about f5.6 - where both lenses should be close to the sharpest.

Yes, but.. I shot the Sigma using autofocus over Fotos, and the Summilux using manual focus, and full focus magnification while standing at what I hoped would be the same distance.  There's an element of luck in this.  That Sigma by itself is impressive.  I don't think you will see bad reviews.  And I expect the SL SC 24 to do better than either of them when it finally appears.  

[scott kirkpatrick]

Somebody might ask, what about multishot?  So here's the Sigma

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U1050499 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

and the Summilux 28M

U1050513 1 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr

I sharpened both the same, as multishot pixels are larger and sloppier, plus some strange things get done to the result so that it can be rendered by conventional software.

Edited February 5, 2021 by scott kirkpatrick

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[Eclectic Man]

I have to say the multishot Summilux 28mm looks much better, particularly the difference between the jagged diagonals on the A's in BRASSAI (black spine to the left) compared to the smooth one for the Summuilux.