tappan Posted January 31, 2021 Share #41 Posted January 31, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Listen to me and READ the directions and then *concentrate* as to what you are doing on the update. I did not concentrate, as I was working on photos with one eye and working on the update with another. Do NOT switch power off until after the restart happens. I looked away and the back screen was empty, it did not have anything on it. I erroneously thought that it was done. I shut my camera off. It was almost done, but had not started to restart, yet. Next thing I know, my camera froze, and kept freezing, after depressing the shutter. Red light would not go away. I did not panic. I reset the camera. (in menu go to "reset Camera"). It now works fine with the new firmware and the perspective control white lines in LV. I am very lucky that I did not have to send it to NJ. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Infantasy Posted January 31, 2021 Share #42 Posted January 31, 2021 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Just updated the latest new firmware for my M10P. I use a fully charged battery for the update and completed after restart. After the update, I find a few pixels on LCD screen shown abnormal color which appears significant when on white background as shown. There is no such appearance before the update and now showed no matter on live view or reviewing a file. Does anyone experience this? Can Leica Store resolve this? I don't want to send back to German for such minor defect but it is not feeling good indeed. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Just updated the latest new firmware for my M10P. I use a fully charged battery for the update and completed after restart. After the update, I find a few pixels on LCD screen shown abnormal color which appears significant when on white background as shown. There is no such appearance before the update and now showed no matter on live view or reviewing a file. Does anyone experience this? Can Leica Store resolve this? I don't want to send back to German for such minor defect but it is not feeling good indeed. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/317447-firmware-update-perspective-correction-for-the-leica-m10-p-m10-r-and-m10-monochrom/?do=findComment&comment=4129958'>More sharing options...
SrMi Posted January 31, 2021 Share #43 Posted January 31, 2021 17 hours ago, wceide said: It seems it does not work as described by leica with the DNG in Lightroom or ACR. I followed all the instructions but the files remains unchanged with upright transformation with lines. What camera? For me, it does work with M10-R it does not work wih M10-Monochrom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wceide Posted January 31, 2021 Share #44 Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, SrMi said: What camera? For me, it does work with M10-R it does not work wih M10-Monochrom. M10P works with the jpeg, but when opening the dng in LR or ACR, nothing works as leica describe on their pdf and video tutorials Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilbrown Posted February 1, 2021 Share #45 Posted February 1, 2021 I think the computational imaging aspect is the most interesting, with this starting to enter the M models I think this could really give us a lot in the next 13 months or so. Algorithms to add to existing photos, advanced HDR, machine learning to understand your preferred style and suggest aspects (as long as it can be turned off) is all kind of exciting. No, this isn't likely the M category of imaging... but I think with some slight additions it could really augment. On 1/29/2021 at 1:42 AM, LUF Admin said: Using computational imaging to correct perspective distortion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuc001 Posted February 1, 2021 Share #46 Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 5:35 PM, Edax said: As Scott already noticed in another post, in fact the perspective correction feature embeds data from the digital level sensor in EVERY picture, also when the feature is set to off and/or when the picture is NOT taken in live view mode. In fact, data for 4 guides is ALWAYS embedded in the .dng file. Wow this is so nice. Just had a play with an image taken with the rangefinder as normal, with the feature off, with my updated M10-P and the perspective correction feature worked, even in LR CC on my iPhone. Looks more natural than Lightroom's auto function too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuc001 Posted February 1, 2021 Share #47 Posted February 1, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 23 hours ago, tappan said: Listen to me and READ the directions and then *concentrate* as to what you are doing on the update. I did not concentrate, as I was working on photos with one eye and working on the update with another. Do NOT switch power off until after the restart happens. I looked away and the back screen was empty, it did not have anything on it. I erroneously thought that it was done. I shut my camera off. It was almost done, but had not started to restart, yet. Next thing I know, my camera froze, and kept freezing, after depressing the shutter. Red light would not go away. I did not panic. I reset the camera. (in menu go to "reset Camera"). It now works fine with the new firmware and the perspective control white lines in LV. I am very lucky that I did not have to send it to NJ. Mark Ah....I never saw a screen that told me to restart either, the screen just shut off by itself. Although it did take a very long time to shut down, the red LED at the bottom-left was lit up for a while after flicking the on-off switch to OFF. After the red blinking has stopped, restarted the camera again and luckily everything seemed to work fine and I did not even have to reset the camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaS2 Posted February 1, 2021 Share #48 Posted February 1, 2021 I am presuming that this feature will expand to the SL and S eventually. I can now understand why Leica never created a tilt-shift lens for the SL or S. While Tilt is not part of this trick, it does duplicate Shift rather well. I have tested using "auto" perspective in LR versus "guided" and guided is preferred by me. Others may differ. Of course another workaround is shoot with a lens about half the focal length, hold the camera upright using the level and then crop to the shot you want. The net result will be fine for Instagram, but not for Arch Digest, as you will have one quarter of the resolution. Meanwhile, I have found that using the white rectangle as a level is much easier to view than the "level" readout. Also I now realize that as long as you manually input in your camera an appropriate M focal length lens, non-Leica lenses work just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derleicaman Posted February 2, 2021 Share #49 Posted February 2, 2021 I found this new feature to be potentially very useful, especially for Travel/Architectural photography. In 2018, we took a Med Cruise, hitting all the highlights you would expect from Spain, France, Italy and Greece. As expected, you are on the move, and you only have a day in each place. For photographing the interior of the Vatican, Sagrado Familia, etc. the WATE was my most used lens. I had not upgraded my M10 to the M10-P at that point, so I didn’t even have the spirit level at that point. I started out using the Viso 020 for framing and composition, but gave up on it the second day. Too slow for the work I was doing. I used the rear screen with Live View, much better and quicker. Forgot about the tripod I brought with! Now after a day of playing with the new Perspective Correction feature, this is definitely the way to go for all day run-and-gun Travel Photography. The white outline parallelogram is easy to see and allows you to quickly compose and frame, and helps when there are no obvious vertical lines on the subject. You can quickly judge how much cropping you would have with how you are holding the camera. Amazingly good! Can’t wait to try this out when we can travel again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strohscw Posted February 2, 2021 Share #50 Posted February 2, 2021 The idea behind this I love most ist the fact that You do not need to have vertikal lines for a correct perspective, because its based on the internal leveling device. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted February 2, 2021 Share #51 Posted February 2, 2021 Leica firmware updates are usually quite stable and reliable. However, it would be good if Leica could allow users to move to the previous version. Otherwise, if there is a major problem, the only way forward would be to take the camera to an authorised service center. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted February 3, 2021 Share #52 Posted February 3, 2021 I updated an M10-P, put the card into the camera, started the update following the instructions, the camera was checked once and the rear display showed the update progressing. A few minutes later there was nothing displayed on the rear lcd. I pushed the shutter button lightly and still nothing, reluctantly I turned off the power hoping I don't brick the thing. When turned back on the camera sprung to life. The camera was quite buggy, it wouldn't allow images to be deleted, on/off fixed that. Then, the camera would not take a picture, pressing the shutter release had no effect, on/off again fixed the issue. The update card is not my normal SD shooting card, I switched the cards and think that may have been the source of the bugs. The instructions said the histogram is no longer functional with perspective control on, this is one of my most used displays. "A histogram will not be available for technical reasons, while the function Perspective Control is active." Not mentioned is the missing level adjustment when PC is on. A quick check of the difference: the level adjustment is more sensitive to pitch and rotation than I can judge from the white box. I am hoping Leica can refine this. I am curious if this would allow better handheld shooting and stitching in post without all the edge jaggies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikie John Posted February 3, 2021 Share #53 Posted February 3, 2021 Regarding the slightly strange behaviour at the end of the update - I wonder if the camera, after it restarts following the update, is reformatting the memory card. When I did the M10-P I formatted the card first in the camera, then copied the firmware update file to the root level on the card, and ran the update. Once the camera was sitting there with a blank screen it behaved normally - and preserved all my menu settings and last file number, which was a nice bonus. With the M10-M I used a blank card and just copied the FW update to it. After the restart it sat there looking blank, but any attempt to do anything resulted in a blank screen with the red light on. After leaving it for a bit, all was back too normal. After taking the card out, it had the usual Leica folder structure on it, so I suspect this is what was going on after the restart. So - moral is format the card in camera before the update, even though there is no functional reason to do it. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted February 3, 2021 Share #54 Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) On 1/31/2021 at 8:08 PM, wceide said: "works with the jpeg, but when opening the dng in LR or ACR, nothing works as leica describe on their pdf and video tutorials" Does that mean that if you download DNG there won't be any correction only in DNG+Jpeg, but that LR develop will show corrected perspective? (I wonder how old: I am still using LR5!) Edited February 3, 2021 by microview Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 3, 2021 Share #55 Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) You do need the latest updates to ACR or LightRoom to use this, since they have to recognize the metadata into which Leica writes the perspective corrections. Those came out a few months ago. I'm not a regular Adobe user, so it would be helpful if someone can report which releases of LR, ACR or CC will support the PC information. Also I know that this works on the M10-R, but please let us know when it is confirmed to work on the -P and the -M. Edited February 3, 2021 by scott kirkpatrick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaS2 Posted February 3, 2021 Share #56 Posted February 3, 2021 Works on P and M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted February 4, 2021 Share #57 Posted February 4, 2021 16 hours ago, Bikie John said: So - moral is format the card in camera before the update, even though there is no functional reason to do it. Thanks John, it's the little things that count with Leica's updates. Neglecting to copy my profiles to a card prior to the update, Leica was kind enough to think to restore them post update and save me considerable work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted February 4, 2021 Share #58 Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, scott kirkpatrick said: You do need the latest updates to ACR or LightRoom to use this, since they have to recognize the metadata into which Leica writes the perspective corrections. T Thanks: that's what I thought. Even so it's a great way to see if camera is tilted one way or another if you focus and use live view (as earlier post says, preferable to the horizon tool/So although I was sceptical about this software update I was tempted to download (perfectly straighforward with M10R screen showing progress, but it took about 5m) and pleased with outcome. Edited February 4, 2021 by microview Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted February 4, 2021 Share #59 Posted February 4, 2021 22 hours ago, LeicaS2 said: Works on P and M Are you saying that it works with M10-Monochrom? With raw files? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaS2 Posted February 5, 2021 Share #60 Posted February 5, 2021 SrMI, Actually, I am having no luck with the M10M files in LR so far. The M10-P in LR works just as desired. No issue. With the M10M I am now choosing to import both the raw and jpeg side by side to work with the jpeg as the DMG is not converting. When the card is shown ready for import, the DNG and the jpeg are shown with the perspective adjustments. And when I click import for a moment the DNG shows the correction, but then it switches to non adjusted. That's OK as the DNG is initially supposed to be unadjusted in case you want the unadjusted file to work with. But unlike the M10-P, going into "Develop" and clicking "Guided" I am not getting the same effect I have achieved with the M10-P. If it didn't work with either camera, I would think my LR is set up wrong. I hope someone with a M10M is having better luck and can tell me what I am doing wrong. Jack Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/317447-firmware-update-perspective-correction-for-the-leica-m10-p-m10-r-and-m10-monochrom/?do=findComment&comment=4133868'>More sharing options...
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