a.noctilux Posted January 13, 2021 Share #101 Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Philip, I can tell you that with the Summarit 1.5 every aperture (f/1.5 to f/16), you will appreciate one of the roundest aperture in Leica lenses. So to appreciate "this roundness" in real life picture taking, you may use the Summarit at various F stops. Edited January 13, 2021 by a.noctilux 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pippy Posted January 13, 2021 Share #102 Posted January 13, 2021 Thank you, Arnaud. I am very much looking forward to receiving the lens. For years I have been admiring its pretty unique rendering. The copy I have bought seems to be very clean optically so I hope things will go much as I expect them to do so - which means no Summicron sharpness at all nor much contrast - and I am excited to see what I can encourage it to offer-up. Philip. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted January 13, 2021 Share #103 Posted January 13, 2021 4 hours ago, ktmrider2 said: Restricting yourself to one lens maybe, to one f stop no way. If you want the experience of using a lens with only one aperture, get a Nikon SLR and the 500f8 mirror lens or perhaps the 1000f11. Cannot change f stop but can put neutral density filters on the back. It is great for sports and wildlife and street photography when the subjects are on the other side of the county (and very small and light for a 500mm/1000mm). Well, now that I think of it, I did only use one aperture (per lens) when I was using R lenses on a Canon 5D2. 180 f/3.4, 250 f/4, 400 f/6.8 - and even a 21 f/4. All wide-open, since the Canon lacked a stop-down mechanism, and I wasn't much interested in messing with manual stop down when the animals or sports were moving fast. Nor focusing by eye with the excess DoF and darker screen from being stopped down. Fortunately they were all "sharp enough" wide open - especially the 180 APO-Telyt. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316855-if-you-had-to-choose-only-one-fstop-095-16/?do=findComment&comment=4117237'>More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share #104 Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, adan said: Well, now that I think of it, I did only use one aperture (per lens) when I was using R lenses on a Canon 5D2. Yes, and it happens more than what people think... I think is great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share #105 Posted January 25, 2021 @M10Alpine - @pippy Did you start already your f/stop challenge? This month is almost finished, but I do I'm very happy with the result I had so far with my Biogon at f/4 only. I guess is amazing aperture, very flexible for different situations. And ready to shoot February at f/2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 25, 2021 Share #106 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Dennis said: @M10Alpine - @pippy Did you start already your f/stop challenge? This month is almost finished, but I do I'm very happy with the result I had so far with my Biogon at f/4 only. I guess is amazing aperture, very flexible for different situations. And ready to shoot February at f/2 Hello Dennis! The chance would have been a fine thing! The lens was ordered on the 11th Jan. and STILL hasn't arrived! First problem was the dealership had mixed up my details with that of another client. That took the first week to discover and correct. Next issue was that the dealer is only in his premises two days per week due to the Covid situation so couldn't get it shipped out as early as he (nor I..) had hoped. I last spoke with him on Friday (i.e. 3 days ago) and he promised it would be in the post that afternoon...... I live in the hope that it will arrive either tomorrow or the day after but as the month is all but gone I'll wait until Feb. for the "50mm f1.5 Summarit @ f1.5 challenge". FWIW for a few reasons - including the generall crap-ness of the weather - yesterday was the first day I've been out snapping since December and even then I was only out for around 90 mins. I did, however, only use one lens and one aperture! Not sure if it counts for the challenge 'proper' but it was the 28mm Elmarit ASPH shot at f5.6-and-a-half on the M Monochrom. I've posted a couple of pics elsewhere hereabouts - one in the Monochrom Mk1 forum and one in the 'January Barnacks Challenge'. I could always post some more here... I'm sure you have been having much more fun over your way, though, Dennis! How do you suggest we exhibit our results? In this thread? Looking forward to seeing what you have photographed! Philip. Edited January 25, 2021 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike3996 Posted January 25, 2021 Share #107 Posted January 25, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Cosina Voigtländer 50mm f/3.5 Classic Heliar is so spectacular wide open at f/3.5 I wouldn't mind having the aperture welded down. But light gathering is a thing also, a Summicron-M 35 wide open at f/2 would do half-decently during the dark months. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share #108 Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, pippy said: I live in the hope that it will arrive either tomorrow or the day after but as the month is all but gone I'll wait until Feb. for the "50mm f1.5 Summarit @ f1.5 challenge". This sounds like a great plan. Looking forward to see results 🙌 1 hour ago, pippy said: I'm sure you have been having much more fun over your way, though I was lucky enough to shoot a few times. And this month is f/4 ... Since it's not wide open, between the TT and the Biogon, I choose the Zeiss 😬 Lighter, discrete and probably better result and performance. So, I'm seriously thinking of leaving the back tapes of the apertures and using this lens at f/4. I know it can sound limiting or absurd for some, but it totally makes sense for me. Let me put it in this way. Short version. My plan is to buy a 21mm + VF and another 35mm in a few words. (Ultron or New Cron). And maybe, a 75mm CV Nokton or 7A 1.25. If I would have today these lenses, I will probably shoot using the following f/stops: 21 at f/3.5 and f/8 35 at f/2 - f/4 - f/8 50 at f/2 and f/4 75 at f/2 and f/4 Bye-bye faster apertures than f/2. It's like using an M10 as if it were an M10-D. You have the screen, and you don't press play until it's urgent. If my lenses 35-75 range are f/2, fine. If they are faster, I will use 1.4, for example, only when strictly necessary or just for fun. But this aperture is not listed in my workflow/modus operandi. Do you know what I mean? It works perfect for me. But it's me. For my taste, vision, ease, etc., I don't see any point in using differently a 21mm. Or use a 75mm at f/8 ... Can you see and understand why? W/o explaining to you the reasons 🤔 1 hour ago, mike3996 said: Summicron-M 35 wide open at f/2 would do half-decently during the dark months Yes please 🙂 1 hour ago, pippy said: How do you suggest we exhibit our results? In this thread! Looking forward to seeing what you have photographed! I don't know. Suppose anyone is often comfortable shooting at the same aperture or takes the challenge and shoot for a month with the same aperture. In that case, we can all post several results of our F/stop choices/challenges 🙂. And if admins allow, we can change the title and make it more understandable for the purpose. But I never did, not sure how it works, and my English is not very understandable 🤣 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share #109 Posted January 25, 2021 meanwhile, I will post some picture I took a few days ago. All photos taken at f/4 w/ Zeiss 35/2.8 ZM WARNING: People exposing for shadows can suffer a nervous tic 🙏 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316855-if-you-had-to-choose-only-one-fstop-095-16/?do=findComment&comment=4125512'>More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share #110 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I really like how f/4 performs in a 35mm. It's difficult to explain, but it looks like it has always the proper DoF on several distances. Edited January 25, 2021 by Dennis 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I really like how f/4 performs in a 35mm. It's difficult to explain, but it looks like it has always the proper DoF on several distances. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316855-if-you-had-to-choose-only-one-fstop-095-16/?do=findComment&comment=4125516'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 25, 2021 Share #111 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dennis said: This sounds like a great plan. Looking forward to see results 🙌 ...It's like using an M10 as if it were an M10-D. You have the screen, and you don't press play until it's urgent. If my lenses 35-75 range are f/2, fine. If they are faster, I will use 1.4, for example, only when strictly necessary or just for fun. But this aperture is not listed in my workflow/modus operandi. Do you know what I mean?... It sounds like a Great Plan to me too; I just hope the bloody lens turns up! I mean to say; it's not like I'm importing the thing from Papua, New Guinea. It's coming all the way from Islington which is 12 miles away! My shooting day yesterday (mentioned earlier) was slightly odd for me in that I decided to take the M Monochrom (only) instead of the M-D Typ-262. A large part of that decision was because I'd never yet had the opportunity to use either of the two bodies when there was snow around and I wanted to see how the meter / sensor / camera / screen / I reacted to the shooting conditions. The thing I love most about the M-D (as I mention ad nauseam) is the lack of a screen but yesterday I was using the screen / histogram quite a bit so as to be able to check 'Expectations v's Actuality' which will be invaluable info. stored away in the "Leetle Grrrey Cells" for future Snowy Shoots. As we all know the last thing one wants to do with a Monochrom is blow-out the highlights. Thankfully the TTL system and I seem to be on exactly the same wavelength so All Was Well with the World. With this in mind I'm not sure whether to use the M-D (very probably) or the M Monochrom once the Summarit arrives. I've already picked-up a yellow filter for use with trying to get a bit of contrast with the notoriously / famously low-contrast rendering of the Summarit as I was expecting to use it almost exclusively with the MM but.......well; time will tell. Philip. Edited January 25, 2021 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobram Posted January 25, 2021 Share #112 Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, pippy said: It sounds like a Great Plan to me, too! I just hope the bloody lens turns up! I mean to say; it's not like I'm imporing the thing from Papua, New Guinea. It's coming all the way from Islington which is all of 12 miles away! My shooting day yesterday (mentioned earlier) was slightly odd for me in that I decided to take the M Monochrom instead of the M-D Typ-262. A large part of that decision was because I'd never yet had the opportunity to use either body when there was snow around and I wanted to see how the meter / sensor / camera / screen / I reacted to the shooting conditions. The thing I love most about the M-D (as I mention ad nauseam) is the lack of a screen but yesterday I was using the screen quite a bit so as to be able to check 'Expectations v's Actuality' which will be invaluable info. stored away in the "Leetle Grrrey Cells" for future Snowy Shoots. With this in mind I'm not sure whether to use the M-D (very probably) or the M Monochrom once the Summarit arrives. I've already picked-up a yellow filter for use with trying to get a bit of contrast with the notoriously / famously low-contrast rendering of the Summarit as I was expecting to use it almost exclusively with the MM but.......well; time will tell. Philip. "Leetle Grrrey Cells" 😁 Hercule? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 25, 2021 Share #113 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Cobram said: "Leetle Grrrey Cells" 😁 Hercule? Mais, Oui! Mon Cher! Philip. Edited January 25, 2021 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 25, 2021 Share #114 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, pippy said: ...I did, however, only use one lens and one aperture! Not sure if it counts for the challenge 'proper' but it was the 28mm Elmarit ASPH shot at f5.6-and-a-half on the M Monochrom... Brain-Fart Alert!!! I was using my 40mm f1.4 Voigtlander Nokton! How the heck did I get that detail wrong? It was yesterday and it's not as if I had much to remember! It WAS used at the stated aperture, however, so not all I typed was complete nonsense. Apologies and Carry On! Edited January 25, 2021 by pippy 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 25, 2021 Author Share #115 Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, pippy said: With this in mind I'm not sure whether to use the M-D (very probably) or the M Monochrom once the Summarit arrives. If were you, I would try the lens with a color sensor camera first, to understand it at its own rawness and honesty 🙂 Then, let's see in BW. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 25, 2021 Share #116 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dennis said: If were you, I would try the lens with a color sensor camera first, to understand it at its own rawness and honesty 🙂 Then, let's see in BW. Yes. I think (on reflection) using it with the 'colour' body at the outset will give me a datum as to how it performs at its purest and simplest level. What I discover from understanding the characteristics of the lens from these initial files will give me a better idea as to how I can extract the unique personality of these lenses going forward. Cheers, Dennis! And, as it's "Burns' Night", I'll raise a wee glass of the 'nippie sweetie' in your honour. "Slainte Mhath!" Philip. Edited January 25, 2021 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 25, 2021 Share #117 Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dennis said: meanwhile, I will post some picture I took a few days ago. All photos taken at f/4 w/ Zeiss 35/2.8 ZM WARNING: People exposing for shadows can suffer a nervous tic 🙏... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3rd photo, Dennis; Shooting from the hip?... Philip. Edited January 25, 2021 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share #118 Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, pippy said: 3rd photo, Dennis; Shooting from the hip?... Yes. I'm trying here to make things more interesting with guesstimate and composition without look at the VF. This is one of the reasons I enjoy a lot to shoot with the M system. When one arrive at the level to master the focus zone and distances, it's a wonder. And it's easy at the end, but need a lot of practice. Which I'm doing. And in the goal to master it, my monthly challenges are helping me a lot to fully understand distances at certain f/stops. Of the same shooting day, one more here from the hip ... And fo course at f/4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316855-if-you-had-to-choose-only-one-fstop-095-16/?do=findComment&comment=4125728'>More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 26, 2021 Share #119 Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Dennis said: Yes. I'm trying here to make things more interesting with guesstimate and composition without look at the VF......And it's easy at the end, but need a lot of practice. Which I'm doing...... One of our 'Year 1' projects at college was the 'Taped-up Viewfinder' photo-essay where we all had to gaffer-tape over our cameras' eye-pieces (whether RF or SLR) and shoot a 6-image PJ story. I used my M2 with 35 Summaron (and Euromaster) and, as you say, once one gets the hang of it this method of shooting is undoubtedly interesting and, ultimately, can be very rewarding. Might be my project for March(!) although I'm not sure I wouldn't also carry a second body as I would hate to miss a great shot simply because I was out having a bit of fun... Philip. Edited January 26, 2021 by pippy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulpenwahn Posted January 26, 2021 Share #120 Posted January 26, 2021 Of course, it would have to be a Summilux, 50mm, f 1.4. It's my lens and my aperture. Bokeh lover and DOF passionate... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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