logan2z Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share #81 Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) One thing I haven't seen discussed here or elsewhere is whether the US tariff has negatively affected sales of Leica products in the US. I wonder how many people prepared to spend $4000 on a lens decided not to purchase it when the price went up to $4400. I would think not many. But I have to believe that sales were at least somewhat impacted for Leica to take these steps to work around the tariff. Edited August 27, 2020 by logan2z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 27, 2020 Posted August 27, 2020 Hi logan2z, Take a look here New Leica lenses Made in Portugal. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
logan2z Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share #82 Posted August 27, 2020 29 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said: This is a good move by Leica. It is a bit of relief from the asinine scrotum kicking that U.S. based Leica buyers have been subjected to at the hands of the geniuses at the office of U.S. Trade Representative, headed up by some obscure buffoon of a bureaucrat named Robert Emmet Lighthizer. Their pointless and ham fisted attempt is apparently intended to force photographers to buy U.S. made cameras and lenses they deem to be "just as good as" Leica - brands like Polaroid, Kodak, Vivitar, Bell & Howell and General Electric. 🙄 This is what we get when people are given policy making power over something that they know less than nothing about. It is as laughable as it is sad but it is politics as usual. How long before we see a US tariff on lenses Made in Portugal? 😋 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted August 27, 2020 Share #83 Posted August 27, 2020 After having merged four threads I started a new one (I'm allowed to as admin ...) In that thread I'll keep you informed about official Leica statements. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2020 Share #84 Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, logan2z said: Until you went to sell it. I'm sure that the "made in Portugal" lenses will gain a rarity value with collectors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLeica Posted August 27, 2020 Share #85 Posted August 27, 2020 All these outrage over Made in Portugal. Imagine if Leica started making them in China? 😄 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUF Admin Posted August 27, 2020 Share #86 Posted August 27, 2020 Short advertisement: Here is a link of the new lens versions „made in Portugal“ with price comparison to their „made in Germany counter parts“: Lens Price Made in Portugal Price Made in Germany Availibility Leica Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. (Black) 3995 $ 4395 $ August 2020 Leica Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. (Silver) 4195 $ 4695 $ August 2020 Leica Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 ASPH. (Black-Chrome Edition) 4595 $ 5095 $ August 2020 Leica Summicron-M 35mm f/2 ASPH (Black) 3295 $ 3695 $ September 2020 Leica Summicron-M 35mm f/2 ASPH (Silver) 3495 $ 3895 $ September 2020 Leica Summaron-M 28mm f/5.6 (Silver) 2595 $ 2895 $ September 2020 Leica Elmarit-M 28mm f/2.8 ASPH. 2295 $ 2595 $ December 2020 Leica Summicron-M 28mm f/2 ASPH. 4395 $ 4895 $ December 2020 Leica Summicron-M 50mm f/2 2395 $ 2695 $ December 2020 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2020 Share #87 Posted August 27, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 9 minutes ago, logan2z said: How long before we see a US tariff on lenses Made in Portugal? 😋 First your adminstration will have to find out that Portugal is no part of Venezuela, nor of Greenland... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share #88 Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, JoeLeica said: All these outrage over Made in Portugal. Imagine if Leica started making them in China? 😄 Or Canada! Oh, wait... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 27, 2020 Share #89 Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, logan2z said: One thing I haven't seen discussed here or elsewhere is whether the US tariff has negatively affected sales of Leica products in the US. I wonder how many people prepared to spend $4000 on a lens decided not to purchase it when the price went up to $4400. I would think not many. But I have to believe that sales were at least somewhat impacted for Leica to take these steps to work around the tariff. Not as much impact, I’m sure, as if the $4k lens had become $5k from the full 25% tariff. I’m more curious about the many other popular, and some more expensive, products that Leica included in the price shift... https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2019/12/leica-price-increase-coming-jan-1-2020/ Jeff Edited August 27, 2020 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 27, 2020 Share #90 Posted August 27, 2020 Leica should take a lead from Espresso machine maker Elektra. Those bear the label "Handmade in Europe" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted August 27, 2020 Share #91 Posted August 27, 2020 Made in europe label is not really well received. Just look at made in Europe Louis Vuitton bags. Not as valuable as really made in France Hermès bag. Louis Vuitton is now the secretary brand in Asia. The real stuff for rich Asian is Hermès with the made in France cachet. For example. Of course Hermès car be ten times more expensive than mundane LV. Just to say that for international buyers, made in Europe = made in eastern europe : Bulgaria, Romania, Slovenia, etc... Not really upmarket. So they want the real deal : made in France, in Germany, in Italy, in England, etc... not the generic made in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivi1969 Posted August 27, 2020 Share #92 Posted August 27, 2020 4 hours ago, logan2z said: It's possible. Which is why I just bought two new Made in Germany lenses, just in case Let's hope your "Made in Germany" lenses weren't actually "Made in Portugal"... Bad luck if you got the 50mm f2 😉 http://www.fdtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/80FDTimes-LEICA-PortugalFactoryTour.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivi1969 Posted August 27, 2020 Share #93 Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, jaapv said: Leica should take a lead from Espresso machine maker Elektra. Those bear the label "Handmade in Europe" Jaap, just a couple of weeks ago my wife and I bought a SMEG coffee maker, while reading the box I discover it says: "Designed in Italy, made in PRC" and I start guessing what PRC meant 🤔 then she told me, "don't you get it? PRC: Popular Republic of China." A posh way to avoid the "C-word" LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 27, 2020 Share #94 Posted August 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, rivi1969 said: Let's hope your "Made in Germany" lenses weren't actually "Made in Portugal"... Bad luck if you got the 50mm f2 😉 http://www.fdtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/80FDTimes-LEICA-PortugalFactoryTour.pdf What difference does it make? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted August 27, 2020 Share #95 Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, logan2z said: How long before we see a US tariff on lenses Made in Portugal? 😋 Quote Leica should take a lead from Espresso machine maker Elektra. Those bear the label "Handmade in Europe" How about "Handmade on Earth?" 😁 Edited August 27, 2020 by Herr Barnack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivi1969 Posted August 27, 2020 Share #96 Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, jdlaing said: What difference does it make? Only Leica could answer that question. I am pretty sure there is a difference for them, otherwise the SL would say at the bottom Portugal (as it supposed to) instead of Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 27, 2020 Share #97 Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, logan2z said: How long before we see a US tariff on lenses Made in Portugal? 😋 You won’t. Portugal trades fairly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share #98 Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, rivi1969 said: Let's hope your "Made in Germany" lenses weren't actually "Made in Portugal"... Bad luck if you got the 50mm f2 😉 http://www.fdtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/80FDTimes-LEICA-PortugalFactoryTour.pdf I did buy a 50 Cron! And I own an M-A also. See, I have nothing against products manufactured in Portugal 😉 The only 'bad luck' would be if they were actually labeled 'Made in Portugal' Edited August 27, 2020 by logan2z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share #99 Posted August 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, jdlaing said: You won’t. Portugal trades fairly. I just meant (half-jokingly) as a 'screw you' to Leica. But I'm sure Leica isn't important enough to warrant such a response. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobert Posted August 27, 2020 Share #100 Posted August 27, 2020 There is even an APO 50. I am considering to change back to Nikon. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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