jaapv Posted August 30, 2020 Share #141 Posted August 30, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would remind members that fighting is prohibited on this forum. I had to delete 26 posts, including collateral damage to innocent bystanders, which doesn't do the coherence of the thread much good. Please stick to cameras and leave personal animosities out of it. Please carry on with Jono's most informative thread within the forum rules. 6 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chaemono Posted August 30, 2020 Share #142 Posted August 30, 2020 I don't buy any of the arguments why IBIS can't be put in the M10-sized body M11. I keep it simple, Panasonic S1/S1R have IBIS, SL2 has IBIS. Panasonic S5 has IBIS, M11 will have IBIS. Later on I will show that if one has the APO 50 and stops it down to f/4, one doesn't need an M10-R nor an S3. 😂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mo(w)gli Posted August 30, 2020 Share #143 Posted August 30, 2020 Does the M11 have auto focus and a hybrid Viwfinder in addition to IBIS? 😁 Sorry, I'm bored waiting for my MR to be delivered 😜 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 30, 2020 Share #144 Posted August 30, 2020 I started another thread called "An APO a day can keep the M10-R and the S3 away." It would have been off topic to post the pictures here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 30, 2020 Share #145 Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Actually, allow me to post one here because I just discovered Topaz DeNoise AI which is amazing. It affords a lot more malleability to the files, it seems. The less compressed JPEGs here can be downloaded: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-F6NRmF/ EDIT - In case anyone wants the DNG, I can provide it. M10-P + APO 50 Summicron as shot Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 200 f/2.8 1/2000 sec. Same as above but processed to taste and treated with Topaz DeNoise AI. Edited August 30, 2020 by Chaemono Offer to provide link to download the DNG 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 200 f/2.8 1/2000 sec. Same as above but processed to taste and treated with Topaz DeNoise AI. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/312525-this-is-why-i-bought-an-m10r/?do=findComment&comment=4036194'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 30, 2020 Share #146 Posted August 30, 2020 Sharpen AI is just as good, and has good noise handling properties as well. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share #147 Posted August 30, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 3 minutes ago, jaapv said: Sharpen AI is just as good, and has good noise handling properties as well. Hi Jaap - are you using both or have you settled for Sharpen AI ? What’s the difference? best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted August 30, 2020 Share #148 Posted August 30, 2020 29 minutes ago, Chaemono said: Actually, allow me to post one here because I just discovered Topaz DeNoise AI which is amazing. It affords a lot more malleability to the files, it seems. The less compressed JPEGs here can be downloaded: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-F6NRmF/ EDIT - In case anyone wants the DNG, I can provide it. M10-P + APO 50 Summicron as shot Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ISO 200 f/2.8 1/2000 sec. Same as above but processed to taste and treated with Topaz DeNoise AI. Chaemono, the difference is quite striking and the result feels natural and not overdone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 30, 2020 Share #149 Posted August 30, 2020 It's an impressive tool. These are the settings in Topaz DeNoise AI for the picture posted in #145. I just pressed the Auto button. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/312525-this-is-why-i-bought-an-m10r/?do=findComment&comment=4036210'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 30, 2020 Share #150 Posted August 30, 2020 DeNoise gives full control, Sharpen will remove noise to a certain level (slider) in relationship to the sharpening - does a pretty good job, though. The nice thing about Sharpen is that it modulates the sharpening across the image after analysis, which the DeNoise sharpening doesn't do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 30, 2020 Share #151 Posted August 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chaemono said: It's an impressive tool. These are the settings in Topaz DeNoise AI for the picture posted in #145. I just pressed the Auto button. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The presets (left-hand panel, not shown here) give rather good starting points. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted August 30, 2020 Share #152 Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chaemono said: I don't buy any of the arguments why IBIS can't be put in the M10-sized body M11. I keep it simple, Panasonic S1/S1R have IBIS, SL2 has IBIS. Panasonic S5 has IBIS, M11 will have IBIS. Later on I will show that if one has the APO 50 and stops it down to f/4, one doesn't need an M10-R nor an S3. 😂 Love the title of the new thread by the way, BUT for those of us who have an M10/P but no 50 APO on hand, trading in the 10 for the 10R is not only the much cheaper option but all your lenses get a boost for "free". Edited August 30, 2020 by Kwesi added "new" 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share #153 Posted August 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Kwesi said: Love the title of the new thread by the way, BUT for those of us who have an M10/P but no 50 APO on hand, trading in the 10 for the 10R is not only the much cheaper option but all your lenses get a boost for "free". Well . . You could always have both! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share #154 Posted August 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, Chaemono said: It's an impressive tool. These are the settings in Topaz DeNoise AI for the picture posted in #145. I just pressed the Auto button. Excellent - and thanks to Jaap as well. I’ve just paid the piper (just for Sharpen AI to start with). If it doesn’t work I’ll send you a bill 🤪 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 30, 2020 Share #155 Posted August 30, 2020 vor 2 Stunden schrieb jonoslack: Excellent - and thanks to Jaap as well. I’ve just paid the piper (just for Sharpen AI to start with). If it doesn’t work I’ll send you a bill 🤪 When it works, DeNoise AI is amazing. I started another thread on it: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr No Posted August 30, 2020 Share #156 Posted August 30, 2020 I'm impressed by these topaz samples. There is also a very good filter buried in a sea of awful ones in the NIK collection called 'tonal contrast'. Used carefully you can extract a crazy amount of detail out of images very easily and quickly, lower res cameras too. It's really quite remarkable and like a camera upgrade. It can look overcooked quite easily though so care in it's application is needed. I personally like noise and find it's just a case of evening it out. I have an enormous Drum scan of a blank 5x4 blank frame for grain that I resize and add to every print I make. It's also an industry standard way to make a very large print from 24MP look exceptionally better and a lot less digital. Sometimes I intentionally use the M9 especially for it's noise. Actually at ISO 640 the M9 really sings, the colour, tone and noise mix together to make something truly wonderful and unique. Noise reduction and people's quest to remove noise, I think, can really suck a lot of life and soul out of an image. To me it's like sharpening and over sharpening. Apart from necessary output sharpening I turn it all off. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 30, 2020 Share #157 Posted August 30, 2020 At TOP, Ctein has written glowingly about various Topaz products. And he’s hard to please. https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2019/09/topaz-labs-sharpen-ai-artificial-common-sense.html https://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2019/10/more-artificial-common-sense-topaz-labs-gigapixel-ai.html Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr No Posted August 30, 2020 Share #158 Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Chaemono said: I don't buy any of the arguments why IBIS can't be put in the M10-sized body M11. I keep it simple, Panasonic S1/S1R have IBIS, SL2 has IBIS. Panasonic S5 has IBIS, M11 will have IBIS. Later on I will show that if one has the APO 50 and stops it down to f/4, one doesn't need an M10-R nor an S3. 😂 I'm sure they will work it out some day when they can design the structure so it sits forward of the sensor and wraps around it. With the current units it's impossible because, for example, look how far back the film sits on a film M body, it's really pushed right back to the edge of the camera. The fact they have made a digital M body was an achievement enough! All the modern mirorless designs: Sony, Nikon, Canon, Leica, Panasonic etc. have shallow flange distances so they have room at the back of the camera for all this extra stuff. The M is an old design that needs the entire depth of the body just to capture the image. Adding IBIS with current knowhow would add a lot of thickness to it. While it certainly helps to have, IBIS really isn't *needed for a good while. Sony has just beaten people to the punch and marketed it in a way that makes people feel they need it. Edited August 30, 2020 by Dr No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted August 30, 2020 Share #159 Posted August 30, 2020 It would be nice to have for indoor family shots at 1600 or lower ISO. I get along fine as is but typically have it set to 1600-3200 and wide open I would like to be able to stop down a few stops without jacking up the iso. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scroy Posted August 30, 2020 Share #160 Posted August 30, 2020 Just got my M10-R, Silver Chrome from the Leica Store Boston. The battery is now charging. 😎 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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