Einst_Stein Posted August 16, 2020 Share #1 Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) JI am tempted by Q2, although I have no real need. But need is a subjective term. Wouldnt it be good if a Q VArio is available! Say, the Q2 but replaced with a 28-75mm f4 lens! Or 28-50mm f2.8! Edited August 16, 2020 by Einst_Stein Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tjz Posted August 17, 2020 Share #2 Posted August 17, 2020 not for me; it would be as if leica also started offering a leica monochrome that could also take color pictures, etc; it would rob the leica q of its 'deliberate' caracter and move it into the direction of the many wonderful cameras that 'can do it all' and thereby may seduce you to try to exploit all the camera's available features instead of honing your ability to recognize interesting scenes; 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted August 17, 2020 Share #3 Posted August 17, 2020 Not for me either. The CL with a zoom fulfils that need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 17, 2020 Share #4 Posted August 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Einst_Stein said: JI am tempted by Q2, although I have no real need. But need is a subjective term. Wouldnt it be good if a Q VArio is available! Say, the Q2 but replaced with a 28-75mm f4 lens! Or 28-50mm f2.8! But one of the Q's USPs if not the main characteristic is the fast lens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDD Posted August 17, 2020 Share #5 Posted August 17, 2020 A zoom lens is either slow, short, or huge (usually 2 of the 3) because... physics. That's why the X Vario didn't really work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share #6 Posted August 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, AndrewDD said: A zoom lens is either slow, short, or huge (usually 2 of the 3) because... physics. That's why the X Vario didn't really work. Don't understand what you mean by "didn't really work". I am not sure how much it means, but the XV image thread has far more posts than the combination of X1, X2, X113, XU. (XV: 3380, X1: 1280; X2: 407; XU: 63; X113: 944). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted August 17, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, jaapv said: But one of the Q's USPs if not the main characteristic is the fast lens. This is the same argument of XV vs. X1/2/113. But if the number of image posts in this site means popularity or photo productive, XV out-runs significantly than the combination of X1/X2/X113/XU. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share #8 Posted August 17, 2020 4 hours ago, tjz said: not for me; it would be as if leica also started offering a leica monochrome that could also take color pictures, etc; it would rob the leica q of its 'deliberate' caracter and move it into the direction of the many wonderful cameras that 'can do it all' and thereby may seduce you to try to exploit all the camera's available features instead of honing your ability to recognize interesting scenes; It already happened, The XV. QV, if exists, is simply the full frame version of XV. You can't argue against Leica on XV, can you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share #9 Posted August 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Viv said: Not for me either. The CL with a zoom fulfils that need. Or even XV if half-frame is all you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted August 17, 2020 Share #10 Posted August 17, 2020 21 minutes ago, Einst_Stein said: Or even XV if half-frame is all you want. I did not say it was what I wanted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted August 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Viv said: I did not say it was what I wanted. Of course, it's easy to understand! That's why I pointed out "if". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewDD Posted August 17, 2020 Share #12 Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Einst_Stein said: Don't understand what you mean by "didn't really work". I am not sure how much it means, but the XV image thread has far more posts than the combination of X1, X2, X113, XU. (XV: 3380, X1: 1280; X2: 407; XU: 63; X113: 944). It wasn't popular and went out of production pretty quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 17, 2020 Share #13 Posted August 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Einst_Stein said: Don't understand what you mean by "didn't really work". I am not sure how much it means, but the XV image thread has far more posts than the combination of X1, X2, X113, XU. (XV: 3380, X1: 1280; X2: 407; XU: 63; X113: 944). It didn't really work commercially. The camera was too large (and expensive) to compete with D-Lux cameras. Sensor size is of little interest to potential buyers, outside Internet blogs and forums; "standard" customers have other criteria, like size, price, haptics in relationship to results. The relative length of image threads is a wobbly measure - it only takes a few enthusiastic posters to make them grow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted August 17, 2020 Share #14 Posted August 17, 2020 16 hours ago, Einst_Stein said: JI am tempted by Q2, although I have no real need. But need is a subjective term. Wouldnt it be good if a Q VArio is available! Say, the Q2 but replaced with a 28-75mm f4 lens! Or 28-50mm f2.8! Q2 can be used as follows using crop mode (I list equivalent aperture for depth of field and cropped resolution). 28mm f1.7 47MP 35mm f2.1 30MP 50mm f3.0 15MP 75mm f4.5 6.6MP So if you do not mind the reduction in resolution, I think it can be used fine for what you described. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viv Posted August 17, 2020 Share #15 Posted August 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Daedalus2000 said: Q2 can be used as follows using crop mode (I list equivalent aperture for depth of field and cropped resolution). 28mm f1.7 47MP 35mm f2.1 30MP 50mm f3.0 15MP 75mm f4.5 6.6MP So if you do not mind the reduction in resolution, I think it can be used fine for what you described. This is what I do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 17, 2020 Share #16 Posted August 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Daedalus2000 said: Q2 can be used as follows using crop mode (I list equivalent aperture for depth of field and cropped resolution). 28mm f1.7 47MP 35mm f2.1 30MP 50mm f3.0 15MP 75mm f4.5 6.6MP So if you do not mind the reduction in resolution, I think it can be used fine for what you described. The equivalent aperture does NOT apply to lens speed,that is a constant. It is a DOF equivalent if you shift subject distance, nothing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted August 17, 2020 Share #17 Posted August 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, jaapv said: The equivalent aperture does NOT apply to lens speed,that is a constant. It is a DOF equivalent if you shift subject distance, nothing more. Which is exactly what I wrote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 17, 2020 Share #18 Posted August 17, 2020 Yes I know But the lightgathering sect will run off with it if not doubly explicitly stated. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedivv Posted August 17, 2020 Share #19 Posted August 17, 2020 Zoom lens on a fixed lens camera probably makes sense on a smaller camera like the D-lux 7. By the time you have a zoom lens that is decently fast with reasonable range, it will be too big for a fixed lens. SL 24-90 will be a good reference point. I doubt Leica willing to make any full-frame AF lens that is not sharp corner to corner, and that means large lens. For Q2, 50mm/F3 equivalent is still pretty usable both in boken and resolution. I doubt many people will go for a vario Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted August 18, 2020 Share #20 Posted August 18, 2020 7 hours ago, jaapv said: Yes I know But the lightgathering sect will run off with it if not doubly explicitly stated. I see haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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