Is the latest 50mm non-APO Summicron still flare prone?

[m410]

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2 hours ago, logan2z said:

I did end up buying the Summicron v5. 

 

Glad you settle on a lens choice and thanks for posting your selection to the Forum.  I still have and use my 50mm Summicron V5 frequently and happy with the results.  ALL lenses have their limitations and/or characteristics, the 50mm Summicron is  no exception.  Of course you will experience and evaluate those for your needs.  Happy imaging now that hopefully you have less smoke! 

[lct]

Simple tips:
1. Do not put the sun or any other bright light source just outside the frame. 
2. Do the opposite if you want to see how flare looks like.

[logan2z]

7 hours ago, m410 said:

Glad you settle on a lens choice and thanks for posting your selection to the Forum.  I still have and use my 50mm Summicron V5 frequently and happy with the results.  ALL lenses have their limitations and/or characteristics, the 50mm Summicron is  no exception.  Of course you will experience and evaluate those for your needs.  Happy imaging now that hopefully you have less smoke! 

Thanks.  Thankfully, the smoke is gone as the wildfires that were nearby are out. 

Edited November 3, 2020 by logan2z

[Jon Warwick]

I had the Summicron v5, bought from new in 2002, and sold it a few years ago because the central veiling flare seemed to get worse and worse, making it a very common prob on my M240. I did notice that flakes of the black coating inside the rear part of the lens (near where the lens rotates in and out when focusing) was peeling off ....leaving still black coating underneath, but who knows, maybe that caused the veiling flare that I was frequently experiencing even in completely dull light. The veiling flare would leave a low contrast circle bang in the middle of the image - very annoying!

I replaced it with a 50 M APO - no issues whatsoever. Seemed completely flare resistant.

I must say though, when I look at the images I took with the (non-APO) v5, they look absolutely beautiful in their rendering, and I now actually prefer them to the very very high acuity images that came out from the M 50 APO.

I’ve moved over to the SL2 and its wonderful primes (both gentleness and mega high resolution combined, just fantastic), but if I was to rebuy one of those 50mm M lenses it’d probably be the v5 over the APO because of the more gentle rendering.

Edited November 3, 2020 by Jon Warwick

[NicholasT]

On 11/3/2020 at 2:08 PM, Jon Warwick said:

I had the Summicron v5, bought from new in 2002, and sold it a few years ago because the central veiling flare seemed to get worse and worse, making it a very common prob on my M240. I did notice that flakes of the black coating inside the rear part of the lens (near where the lens rotates in and out when focusing) was peeling off ....leaving still black coating underneath, but who knows, maybe that caused the veiling flare that I was frequently experiencing even in completely dull light. The veiling flare would leave a low contrast circle bang in the middle of the image - very annoying!

I replaced it with a 50 M APO - no issues whatsoever. Seemed completely flare resistant.

I must say though, when I look at the images I took with the (non-APO) v5, they look absolutely beautiful in their rendering, and I now actually prefer them to the very very high acuity images that came out from the M 50 APO.

I’ve moved over to the SL2 and its wonderful primes (both gentleness and mega high resolution combined, just fantastic), but if I was to rebuy one of those 50mm M lenses it’d probably be the v5 over the APO because of the more gentle rendering.

+1. Great feedback. I’ve also made the switch to SL2 and have same exact view of SL primes ( absolute best of both worlds in terms of sharpness versus rendering).

That said I’ve been looking for compact 50mm M lens for those occasions when SL50 F2 is more than I’d like to carry (when out ridding motorcycle for example). I’ve just ordered the M 50mm V5 and am looking forward to putting it to good use.

I’m not concerned with flare issues. Will intentionally introduce flare on those rare occasions when I find it desirable from a creative standpoint and will compose accordingly to exclude at all other times. I’ve owned early M 50mm Summicron back when I was shooting with M3 and had no trouble controlling flare. I have to assume that V5 version of the lens is at least as good if not better than early versions as it relates to flare.

[logan2z]

Just a quick follow up on this:

I've had a chance to shoot several rolls of film since buying the 50mm Summicron v5 and thankfully have not experienced any flare.  Maybe I've been lucky or perhaps the problem is not as prevalent with film bodies.  But for me, at least, flare seems to be a non-issue with v5 of this lens.

Edited December 6, 2020 by logan2z

[lct]

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2 hours ago, logan2z said:

Just a quick follow up on this:

I've had a chance to shoot several rolls of film since buying the 50mm Summicron v5 and thankfully have not experienced any flare.  Maybe I've been lucky or perhaps the problem is not as prevalent with film bodies.  But for me, at least, flare seems to be a non-issue with v5 of this lens.

You didn't shoot with the sun or other strong light source just outside the frame i suspect. 

[logan2z]

3 hours ago, lct said:

You didn't shoot with the sun or other strong light source just outside the frame i suspect. 

It's possible, I'll have to go through my photos and check. I didn't consciously avoid such situations, however.  

[cboy]

On 11/20/2020 at 7:42 PM, NicholasT said:

 

I’m not concerned with flare issues. Will intentionally introduce flare on those rare occasions when I find it desirable from a creative standpoint and will compose accordingly to exclude at all other times. I’ve owned early M 50mm Summicron back when I was shooting with M3 and had no trouble controlling flare. I have to assume that V5 version of the lens is at least as good if not better than early versions as it relates to flare.

Refreshing to hear your opinion that your not concerned of flaring and rather use it as an aesthetic choice or control it. The summarit which is a derivative on the summicron has lesser flair but not the rendering of the cron. The cron has a nicer rendering imho