Krusty Posted September 16, 2021 Share #21 Posted September 16, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Folks, i almost understand it how it works now. I just have a few minor questions regarding my Storage on my iPhone / iPad to understand it completely. - lets say i import my huge dng Files on my iPhone in Lr. It is clear that my iPhone will upload the full size into the cloud. But when the upload is completed, what happens next? Will then a Smart Preview to that File downloaded to the iPhone and the local DNG File deleted in order to make free some storage on the Device? - And what happens to that DNG File in the Cloud as soon as Lr Classic has downloaded it to the PC / Mac? Will there a Smart Preview remain in the Cloud and the Original DNG deleted in the Cloud in Order the make some free storage in the Cloud? If this is answered, i think i understand the cloud. Because that would mean if you open often Lr Classic you can go far with the 20 GB in the Basic plan because there are most of the time only smart Previews and the only case with DNG Files in the cloud is if you import them on the go on your iOS Devices and cannot sync them to Lr Classic… Thank you so much.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Krusty Posted September 21, 2021 Share #22 Posted September 21, 2021 Am 16.9.2021 um 21:15 schrieb Krusty: Hi Folks, i almost understand it how it works now. I just have a few minor questions regarding my Storage on my iPhone / iPad to understand it completely. - lets say i import my huge dng Files on my iPhone in Lr. It is clear that my iPhone will upload the full size into the cloud. But when the upload is completed, what happens next? Will then a Smart Preview to that File downloaded to the iPhone and the local DNG File deleted in order to make free some storage on the Device? - And what happens to that DNG File in the Cloud as soon as Lr Classic has downloaded it to the PC / Mac? Will there a Smart Preview remain in the Cloud and the Original DNG deleted in the Cloud in Order the make some free storage in the Cloud? If this is answered, i think i understand the cloud. Because that would mean if you open often Lr Classic you can go far with the 20 GB in the Basic plan because there are most of the time only smart Previews and the only case with DNG Files in the cloud is if you import them on the go on your iOS Devices and cannot sync them to Lr Classic… Thank you so much.. Any Ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted September 21, 2021 Share #23 Posted September 21, 2021 I would like to have an answer too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolyproductions Posted September 21, 2021 Share #24 Posted September 21, 2021 I am not a deep expert on Lightroom, but my understanding is the following: Q1: Yes, the import device (iPhone/iPad) essentially stores the DNG 'temporarily' until it has uploaded to the cloud. After upload to the Cloud your mobile device will only have a Preview. Q2: Yes, with the caveat that the DNG will only be downloaded to your local storage on LR Classic when you move the files from your 'mobile' folder (whatever you chose to call it) to your local storage. (I may be wrong on this, but I believe this is how it works). Once you have done that you will only have a Preview in the Cloud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted September 21, 2021 Share #25 Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) On 9/16/2021 at 9:15 PM, Krusty said: - And what happens to that DNG File in the Cloud as soon as Lr Classic has downloaded it to the PC / Mac? Will there a Smart Preview remain in the Cloud and the Original DNG deleted in the Cloud in Order the make some free storage in the Cloud? Not exactly. The two applications don't cooperate very well, because they are mostly meant to be used separately. If you sync to LR Classic, a copy of the original file will be downloaded (you can specify where in LR Classic). But the original file will also remain in the cloud, unless you delete it from LR CC. And then you will not have any preview here anymore. Any edits or custom metadata (IPTC) from LR CC will not be synced, so if your intention is to keep the images in LR Classic, it's better to wait with all this until they appear here. I prefer to import photos directly to LR Classic. From here I can sync an unlimited number of photos to the cloud as smart previews without using any cloud storage and have them available everywhere. Any edits on the mobile devices will also be synced back to LR Classic. A possible workaround if you need to import to a mobile device initially, and want to have them available everywhere, is to sync to LR Classic, delete from LR CC, make edits in LR Classic, and then sync smart previews back to LR CC. Edited September 21, 2021 by evikne 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted September 21, 2021 Share #26 Posted September 21, 2021 Great, thank You, evikne! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krusty Posted September 22, 2021 Share #27 Posted September 22, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Am 21.9.2021 um 15:15 schrieb evikne: I prefer to import photos directly to LR Classic. From here I can sync an unlimited number of photos to the cloud as smart previews without using any cloud storage and have them available everywhere. . Is this true that Smart Previews are not "counted" to the Storage Usage in the Cloud? That means if i have 100.000 DNGs in Lr Classic and all of their smart previews are synced to Lr CC / Cloud i still have the 20 GBs from the basic plan? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted September 22, 2021 Share #28 Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Krusty said: Is this true that Smart Previews are not "counted" to the Storage Usage in the Cloud? That means if i have 100.000 DNGs in Lr Classic and all of their smart previews are synced to Lr CC / Cloud i still have the 20 GBs from the basic plan? I guess so. I have about 25.000 images in the cloud, but use only about 70 MB of the 20 GB storage. The few megabytes are probably some JPEG pictures that are uploaded from my iPhone. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krusty Posted September 22, 2021 Share #29 Posted September 22, 2021 vor 17 Minuten schrieb evikne: I guess so. I have about 25.000 images in the cloud, but use only about 70 MB of the 20 GB storage. The few megabytes are probably some JPEG pictures that are uploaded from my iPhone. wow! This sounds good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted September 23, 2021 Author Share #30 Posted September 23, 2021 On 9/21/2021 at 3:15 PM, evikne said: The two applications don't cooperate very well, because they are mostly meant to be used separately. +1 This is exactly my experience, I am quite disappointed with that. I only use the mobile app to quickly adjust a picture I want to share digitally, but I import all my files later with LR classic to go on post production. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted September 25, 2021 Share #31 Posted September 25, 2021 That’s been my experience, too. If I’m out and about, my iPad can handle even 47 `Mpx files without any bother, but they get stuck in a 20Gb Adobe Cloud, so I just upload them to my Mac when I get home. Pity. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krusty Posted December 28, 2021 Share #32 Posted December 28, 2021 Hi, i am back... Am 21.9.2021 um 15:15 schrieb evikne: Not exactly. The two applications don't cooperate very well, because they are mostly meant to be used separately. If you sync to LR Classic, a copy of the original file will be downloaded (you can specify where in LR Classic). But the original file will also remain in the cloud, unless you delete it from LR CC. Hi all, so sad that this does not happen... It would be great if an imported DNG on the cloudy versions of Lr would only stay as an DNG in the Cloud until you open Lr Classic and download it to your PC/Mac and afterwards only the Smart Preview stays in the Cloud (Or of there would be a toggle to change this behavior). Because then you don't have to worry about your cloud storage. You import all Files "on the go" and as soon as you switch on your Lr Classic version on your PC you only have smart previews in the cloud which don't count to the used cloud storage... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krusty Posted March 4, 2023 Share #33 Posted March 4, 2023 Hi all, is it possible to create in Lr Classic a smart collection with the following conditions: - Filetype DNG - Synced to creative cloud ? I want to find all original DNGs who are uploaded to the creative cloud so that I can delete them to save storage... Thanks Krusty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted March 4, 2023 Share #34 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Krusty said: Hi all, is it possible to create in Lr Classic a smart collection with the following conditions: - Filetype DNG - Synced to creative cloud ? I want to find all original DNGs who are uploaded to the creative cloud so that I can delete them to save storage... Thanks Krusty. You cannot select synced photos as a criterion in a smart collection (and if you could, you wouldn't be able to delete them directly from the smart collection). But in the Catalog panel, there is already an automatic All Synced Photographs folder, and from these, you can easily filter out the DNG files using the Library filter. But if you delete the original DNG files from your library, the synced files will be deleted too. The files in the cloud are just smart previews that depend on the original files to exist. Sadly, this is the way LR Classic works, as opposed to LR CC, which actually uploads originals to the cloud. The best way to save storage space in LR Classic, is to build smart previews of all originals, and then move the originals to an external HD. Just remember do it from within LR Classic so it knows where you move them. Edited March 4, 2023 by evikne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krusty Posted March 4, 2023 Share #35 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) vor 31 Minuten schrieb evikne: You cannot select synced photos as a criterion in a smart collection (and if you could, you wouldn't be able to delete them directly from the smart collection). But in the Catalog panel, there already is a folder that automatically shows all your synced photos, and from these, you can easily filter out the DNG files using the Library filter. But if you delete the original DNG files from your library, the synced files will be deleted too. The files in the cloud are just smart previews that depend on the original files to exist. Sadly, this is the way LR Classic works, as opposed to LR CC, which actually uploads originals to the cloud. The best way to save storage space in LR Classic, is to build smart previews of all originals, and then move the originals to an external HD. Just remember do it from within LR Classic so it knows where you move them. My problem is, that 20GB is not enough but I also don’t want to pay more money to Adobe as a hobby photographer. I am searching an easy way to find all pictures which are as an dng in the cloud and not only as an smart preview. when I go to the „all synced photos“ folder in Lr Classic and I filter for DNG nothing changes because I only shoot dng. I cannot find a way to see if it is only as a smart preview or a dng in the cloud. My current way is, that I always delete everything in the cloud an then I upload the smart previews again…. best would be if Adobe would delete the dng from the cloud and keep only the smart preview as soon as the original DNG is downloaded to Lr Classic… but this is not (automatically) possible Edited March 4, 2023 by Krusty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted March 4, 2023 Share #36 Posted March 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Krusty said: I am searching an easy way to find all pictures which are as an dng in the cloud and not only as an smart preview. If you upload from LR Classic, there are no DNG files in the cloud. When you sync a DNG file, a smart preview will be built, and only this will be uploaded to the cloud. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krusty Posted March 4, 2023 Share #37 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) vor 2 Stunden schrieb evikne: If you upload from LR Classic, there are no DNG files in the cloud. When you sync a DNG file, a smart preview will be built, and only this will be uploaded to the cloud. My issue is: when i am on the go, i import my photos on my iPad / iPhone and when i am back home, i have to remove the DNGs from the Cloud. So my way is after the originals are downloaded, i remove everything from the cloud and then i add it again, so that only the smart previews are uploaded. Lr Classic does not replace the DNG with the Smart Preview from files which were imported on Lr mobile. I do not have a notebook, but only iPad, iPhone and Mac mini Edited March 4, 2023 by Krusty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted March 4, 2023 Share #38 Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Krusty said: My issue is: when i am on the go, i import my photos on my iPad / iPhone and when i am back home, i have to remove the DNGs from the Cloud. So my way is after the originals are downloaded, i remove everything from the cloud and then i add it again, so that only the smart previews are uploaded. Lr Classic does not replace the DNG with the Smart Preview from files which were imported on Lr mobile. I do not have a notebook, but only iPad, iPhone and Mac mini OK, now I better understand what you mean, I didn't know that you originally uploaded from LR CC. I wish I could try out some of this myself to better be able to try to find a solution, but unfortunately my LR Classic won't download anything from the cloud anymore, probably because my Mac is too old for the newest version. But the safest solution is probably to wait until you're back home and import directly into LR Classic, considering that the two applications don't work very well together. Then you can sync to the cloud, and only use the iPhone/iPad to view the smart previews. Edited March 4, 2023 by evikne 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 5, 2023 Share #39 Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) I also get irritated by the way in which LR CC and LR Classic work together, but I have found a way that is good enough for me. I use LR CC on my Macbook Pro (which has a SD card slot, making importing easy). When I'm travelling, I import all photos to LR CC on the Macbook, and add them to a new album. I will also do as much editing as I think they need, and perhaps post them here or to other social media. The album or albums are visible online in LR Web (as long as I have signed in). When I get home, I start LR Classic on my Windows desktop. The albums become visible as Collections in LR Classic, but within a Collection Set called 'From Lightroom', which is automatically created by Lightroom. One important step, which I discovered by accident, is that I must close LR CC on the Macbook, otherwise LR Classic will not sync the new collection (even though it is visible in LR Web). I drag all the new images (which are edited DNGs) from the synced collection into my main catalogue on the desktop HDD. I then delete the collection. This removes it from LR Web, and deletes the original album on my Macbook, as well as the original DNGs on my Macbook (though they are visible in the Deleted folder, so could be retrieved if necessary). With this approach I can use my Macbook for travel editing and for transfer to my main Lightroom catalogue on my windows desktop, while keeping the Macbook uncluttered with large files in the long term. Edited March 5, 2023 by LocalHero1953 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted March 5, 2023 Share #40 Posted March 5, 2023 I do it similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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