bonesetter Posted February 20, 2020 Share #1 Posted February 20, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) M240 got really warm today. Took it out and was not taken out of bag until 5 hours later, where it was very warm... I panicked and straight away took the battery out. The whole camera was really warm, especially the battery Refitting the battery after cool down the camera said battery low - recharge and wouldn't start up. The battery was fully charged On recharging the battery, the camera seems fine This is a worrying development. Anyone had similar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaeger Posted February 20, 2020 Share #2 Posted February 20, 2020 1 hour ago, bonesetter said: M240 got really warm today. Took it out and was not taken out of bag until 5 hours later, where it was very warm... I panicked and straight away took the battery out. The whole camera was really warm, especially the battery Refitting the battery after cool down the camera said battery low - recharge and wouldn't start up. The battery was fully charged On recharging the battery, the camera seems fine This is a worrying development. Anyone had similar? It got hot in my bag for 5 minutes when I was traveling in India. Where are you located bonesetter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Michel Posted February 21, 2020 Share #3 Posted February 21, 2020 Did you perhaps press the video button and therefore had your camera video the inrerior of your bag for all that time? That would cause the battery depletion and warming up. I have the video feature disabled on my camera for that reason alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesetter Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted February 21, 2020 10 hours ago, jaeger said: It got hot in my bag for 5 minutes when I was traveling in India. Where are you located bonesetter? Hi jaeger - thanks for your reply. I am in Midlands, UK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesetter Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share #5 Posted February 21, 2020 3 hours ago, Jean-Michel said: Did you perhaps press the video button and therefore had your camera video the inrerior of your bag for all that time? That would cause the battery depletion and warming up. I have the video feature disabled on my camera for that reason alone. Hi J-M. I've checked the SD card and there's no video recorded, but maybe this still could have happened? I didn't know the video button could be disabled - I'll do that too to stop that happening, thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger Posted February 21, 2020 Share #6 Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, bonesetter said: Hi jaeger - thanks for your reply. I am in Midlands, UK oh it's probably very cold and snowing now. ok, has it happened more than 1 time and how old is the battery, do you have another one to test? IMO, a new battery is much cheaper than fixing a fried camera. It's even cheaper than shipping your M back and forth Wetzlar for diagnosis. so... that's my productive answer I guess... Edited February 21, 2020 by jaeger 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesetter Posted February 21, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted February 21, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, jaeger said: oh it's probably very cold and snowing now. ok, has it happened more than 1 time and how old is the battery, do you have another one to test? IMO, a new battery is much cheaper than fixing a fried camera. It's even cheaper than shipping your M back and forth Wetzlar for diagnosis. so... that's my productive answer I guess... I've only owned the camera for less than 30 days and bought it from Leica store, so it's still under warranty. After speaking to them (they have been perfect) we have agreed to trying a new battery - they also suggested sending the camera back to Germany but that would mean being without the camera for a month, although they did suggest a loan/swap etc so bent over backwards I have recharged my battery and all seems fine. I am not leaving the camera unattended Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaeger Posted February 22, 2020 Share #8 Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) Do they do return and full refund? Not trying to scare you but it's not a good sign. Edited February 22, 2020 by jaeger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
52K Posted February 22, 2020 Share #9 Posted February 22, 2020 Do you have a soft release button finished and do you leave your camera in your bag, switched on but in standby mode? I used to have one fitted and that’s how I keep my camera when I’m out and about as it’s quicker to start up. In my bag, the soft release made it easier for the shutter button to be half or fully pressed pressed and once held the shutter button partially on for a long time. It starts up the camera and turns on the frame lines. Same result (hot camera) and flat battery. I took the soft release button off and threw it in the bin. Never had that problem again. Also no more mysterious black images which I couldn’t explain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesetter Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share #10 Posted February 23, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 5:49 AM, jaeger said: Do they do return and full refund? Not trying to scare you but it's not a good sign. They offered a swap, a refund, sending back to Germany for full inspection - pretty much every option imaginable Do you really think I should ditch the camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesetter Posted February 23, 2020 Author Share #11 Posted February 23, 2020 On 2/22/2020 at 8:56 AM, 52K said: Do you have a soft release button finished and do you leave your camera in your bag, switched on but in standby mode? I used to have one fitted and that’s how I keep my camera when I’m out and about as it’s quicker to start up. In my bag, the soft release made it easier for the shutter button to be half or fully pressed pressed and once held the shutter button partially on for a long time. It starts up the camera and turns on the frame lines. Same result (hot camera) and flat battery. I took the soft release button off and threw it in the bin. Never had that problem again. Also no more mysterious black images which I couldn’t explain. The switch was in the off position - 100% for the whole time The SD card was clean too, as it was before going out for the day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesetter Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share #12 Posted February 24, 2020 Update: Found the problem: switched the camera to 'off' position today and it stayed on... Looks like it's got to go back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lykaman Posted February 24, 2020 Share #13 Posted February 24, 2020 You are entitled to a Camera, IMHO you should either get a Refund or another Camera.. Maybe even a higher value camera,! you have obviously sustained out of pocket expenses etc.. L Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
52K Posted April 18, 2020 Share #14 Posted April 18, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 8:08 AM, lykaman said: You are entitled to a Camera, IMHO you should either get a Refund or another Camera.. Maybe even a higher value camera,! you have obviously sustained out of pocket expenses etc.. L I'm not sure I like the word 'entitlement' in the context of getting an upgrade, it's highly unlikely the seller sold the camera deliberately with a fault. The right thing to do is offer of a refund, a replacement camera or a repair. If you get a loan camera in the interim you'll be doing well but that's not an entitlement just a gesture of good will, but don't expect an upgrade to an M10 or a free lens, that's just ridiculous. 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laowai_ Posted July 17, 2020 Share #15 Posted July 17, 2020 Just a few random thoughts: * lithium ion batteries self-discharge. At elevated temperatures self-discharge is higher than at room temperature. But usually the self-discharge is measured in days or weeks and not hours. * many commercial products (like the electronic chips in your camera) are designed to work within specs up to 85C/85% rel humidity. * the M 240 manual states operating temperature is up to 40C I’d say if your camera has been significantly above 85C you should have it checked out by a service center. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesetter Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share #16 Posted July 21, 2020 On 7/17/2020 at 9:12 AM, laowai_ said: Just a few random thoughts: * lithium ion batteries self-discharge. At elevated temperatures self-discharge is higher than at room temperature. But usually the self-discharge is measured in days or weeks and not hours. * many commercial products (like the electronic chips in your camera) are designed to work within specs up to 85C/85% rel humidity. * the M 240 manual states operating temperature is up to 40C I’d say if your camera has been significantly above 85C you should have it checked out by a service center. The camera was under warranty so went back to Leica, who have said no fault found. It's a shame as the power staying on after being switched off happened twice, so an intermittent fault... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 21, 2020 Share #17 Posted July 21, 2020 Was it an original Leica battery? Third party ones sometimes lack the electronics that are meant to protect from faults like this. Note that the switch is not a simple current interrupter but an electronic controller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesetter Posted July 21, 2020 Author Share #18 Posted July 21, 2020 36 minutes ago, jaapv said: Was it an original Leica battery? Third party ones sometimes lack the electronics that are meant to protect from faults like this. Note that the switch is not a simple current interrupter but an electronic controller. Yes, Leica written on the battery 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 21, 2020 Share #19 Posted July 21, 2020 Out of curiosity can someone show me a third party M-240 battery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom.w.bn Posted July 21, 2020 Share #20 Posted July 21, 2020 vor 1 Stunde schrieb jdlaing: Out of curiosity can someone show me a third party M-240 battery? Good question. I was looking for a third party battery but could not find any information that this exists. For my Fujis I only had third party batterys. No difference to the original batteries (except the price). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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