Aktenschrank Posted January 10, 2020 Share #21 Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) From my personal point of view it is not so much the pure capability of the latest Sony offerings to track and nail focus that is very impressive. As mentioned before in this thread, for example the SL2 is technically also very much able to produce very sharp images with moving subjects etc. That is, when the user has fiddled with the AF settings for 5min, knows the rough movement pattern of the subject and is able to correctly kick off the tracking. Whereas with the latest Sonys, this is kind of ...effortless. As a user, I can leave the camera in AFC 100% of the time and essentially point-and-shoot any action without worrying about focus. This technology enables the user to concentrate on composition etc and not worrying about sharpness in action situations. Don't get me wrong, I really like the SL2 for a number of reasons, but if tracking af is a priority I would definitely not recommend it or any of the Panasonics. At least with the current (Jan 2020) state of firmware and af features. (I´m sure well see some improvement over the lifecycle of the camera) Edited January 10, 2020 by Aktenschrank 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caissa Posted January 10, 2020 Share #22 Posted January 10, 2020 I can read that in many adds from Sony and on many blogs ... Why do you think you need to repeat this all over again ? Do you really think you tell anything surprising or intelligent ? I am here to exchange ideas with people of similar interests. Not to hear the 2000th repetition of old marketing. What is the next thing you want to repeat on and on and on and .... This is actually just boring. I want to use my existing gear, not continually buy new gear. What is so difficult to understand ? Did you understand the title of the thread ? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2020 Share #23 Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, caissa said: What’s wrong with using dof ? I would call this know-how and experience. Maybe cleverer than always buying the latest high-end camera ... When you want to blur out the background. I love my SL2 but there is no point defending a camera when it is poor in certain areas such as continuous tracking of erratic subjects. I sense so much anger from you towards other cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 10, 2020 Share #24 Posted January 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, caissa said: I can read that in many adds from Sony and on many blogs ... Why do you think you need to repeat this all over again ? Do you really think you tell anything surprising or intelligent ? I am here to exchange ideas with people of similar interests. Not to hear the 2000th repetition of old marketing. What is the next thing you want to repeat on and on and on and .... This is actually just boring. I want to use my existing gear, not continually buy new gear. What is so difficult to understand ? Did you understand the title of the thread ? You seriously need to chill and be polite to other forum users. May be deflate you ego a bit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted January 10, 2020 Share #25 Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, caissa said: Not to hear the 2000th repetition of old marketing. including Leica marketing ? 😋 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 10, 2020 Share #26 Posted January 10, 2020 vor 26 Minuten schrieb frame-it: including Leica marketing ? 😋 Valid point...if I went to the Hassy forum in order to show them the tons of PF of those XCD lenses. 😂 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted January 10, 2020 Share #27 Posted January 10, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) The question was, “What settings are likely to optimise the likelihood of focused action images?” If a person asked about the best practices in using his new SL2 camera, why get bogged down in issues about other cameras? Let’s hear from users on how they get the best results from the SL2! I’m interested in hearing answers. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel81 Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share #28 Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) precisely - the SL is the camera I have so I am interested in hearing any strategies, secrets, discoveries people have found work best to optimise results in shooting, say, a playing dog. I have not been influenced by Sony or Fuji marketing. I am just a new SL owner (previous multi-Nikon shooter) trying to learn this whole new camera. Of course, there is so much 'luck' in the shooting of an erratically moving subject like a dog . . .and yes, good point, if I am shooting at f12 or more, there is so much depth of field, . . . the holy grail is something moving shot wide open . . . . I just want to know any and all strategies, settings, SL-peculiarities people have found useful to OPTIMISE MY LUCK! Edited January 10, 2020 by Daniel81 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted January 10, 2020 Share #29 Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) . Edited January 10, 2020 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 10, 2020 Share #30 Posted January 10, 2020 vor 14 Stunden schrieb Daniel81: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! AFc, Zone, learn the movement pattern of your dogs, and then practice finding focus and following your subjects by panning along (the latter applies if you use Field rather than Zone). Worse comes to worse, try to follow your dogs by running next to them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 10, 2020 Share #31 Posted January 10, 2020 8 hours ago, Daniel81 said: precisely - the SL is the camera I have so I am interested in hearing any strategies, secrets, discoveries people have found work best to optimise results in shooting, say, a playing dog. I have not been influenced by Sony or Fuji marketing. I am just a new SL owner (previous multi-Nikon shooter) trying to learn this whole new camera. Of course, there is so much 'luck' in the shooting of an erratically moving subject like a dog . . .and yes, good point, if I am shooting at f12 or more, there is so much depth of field, . . . the holy grail is something moving shot wide open . . . . I just want to know any and all strategies, settings, SL-peculiarities people have found useful to OPTIMISE MY LUCK! As previously stated, with an original SL, there's not much you can do in camera to improve things. It's poor as a tracking camera. Always will be. Techniques like pre-focusing might help. Even manual focusing with R or M lenses can be useful. You're already using the most useful one DoF. Personally for action I use single shot AF, a couple of stops down and mash the shutter, with the SL and SL2. But the AF isn't ever going to have a high success rate. Period. For the SL2 Cassia provided a link to the most useful setup tips for the SL2 AF system and CAF on page one. However no matter what you do the hit rate will still be low. Higher than the SL (601) but no where near most other brands flagships. Maybe, maybe Panasonic/Leica will come up with a firmware update to improve things. But as of now it's mostly luck if it works. And as much as you don't want to hear it you'll find that quite a few SL/SL2 owners solve the problem by having another brand camera they keep to fill the holes in the SL shooting envelope. Gordon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 10, 2020 Share #32 Posted January 10, 2020 Watch the video. With the APO 90 Summicron-SL wide open the hit rate is quite high. Almost every shot of the runner is in focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted January 11, 2020 Share #33 Posted January 11, 2020 13 hours ago, Jeffry Abt said: The question was, “What settings are likely to optimise the likelihood of focused action images?” If a person asked about the best practices in using his new SL2 camera, why get bogged down in issues about other cameras? Let’s hear from users on how they get the best results from the SL2! I’m interested in hearing answers. You do not need a scientist's reply. All you need is practise and practise to fully optimise the camera (any camera). What you're asking is to leran how to swim from reading a book. All AF capability from different camera makers are somewhat different but there is no camera's AF capability is 100% perfect. Do not listen to hearsay bullshits. Look at results published. If others can do it, so can you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
setuporg Posted January 11, 2020 Share #34 Posted January 11, 2020 Are there any hints on when to use — prefocus — AFc — Face/body tracking to capture people? ... and how do these combine with continuous shooting? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted January 11, 2020 Share #35 Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, sillbeers15 said: You do not need a scientist's reply. All you need is practise and practise to fully optimise the camera (any camera). What you're asking is to leran how to swim from reading a book. All AF capability from different camera makers are somewhat different but there is no camera's AF capability is 100% perfect. Do not listen to hearsay bullshits. Look at results published. If others can do it, so can you. “What you're asking is to learn how to swim from reading a book”. No, I’m interested in hearing about SL2 users’ experiences with the camera. Ie. How they get the most out of it! I do not care if a Sony product is better! As far as I am concerned, Nikon makes the best fast action camera in the world. But this is a Leica forum. So, what settings are SL2 users using to get the best out of their cameras? After all, this is a forum. Isn’t one of its purposes to learn from each other’s experiences? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 11, 2020 Share #36 Posted January 11, 2020 I’m confused about who’s promoting what. The axe grinding has become very subtle in the SL treads. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 11, 2020 Share #37 Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) vor 9 Stunden schrieb sillbeers15: [...] Do not listen to hearsay b#&&*%!ts. [...] It's 'negative campaigning.' See Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_campaigning Negative campaigning or mudslinging is the process of deliberate spreading negative information about...something to worsen the public image of the described. It usually becomes very prevalent on LUF when a product is selling well, M10, Summicron-SL lenses, and now the SL2 which is a really hot seller. Because of the demographics and characteristics of Leica users, high spending power and, therefore, high propensity for GAS (😂), they seem to be a desired target group for other camera makers to promote their products to them. Just look at some of the posts in this thread. One either lives with it or one posts videos and...RAW files. 🤣 Edited January 11, 2020 by Chaemono 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luca Posted January 11, 2020 Share #38 Posted January 11, 2020 9 minutes ago, Chaemono said: It's 'negative campaigning.' See Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_campaigning Negative campaigning or mudslinging is the process of deliberate spreading negative information about...something to worsen the public image of the described. It usually becomes very prevalent on LUF when a product is selling well, M10, Summicron-SL lenses, and now the SL2 which is a really hot seller. Because of the demographics and characteristics of Leica users, high spending power and, therefore, high propensity for GAS (😂), they seem to be a desired target group for other camera makers to promote their products to them. Just look at some of the posts in this thread. One either lives with it or one posts videos and...RAW files. 🤣 Suggest to open a thread how to shoot dogs with Sony eye AF as it seems the only.purpose of this camera and of photography 🤣 for someone. So we will avoid countless discussions about not Leica related topics. Maybe someone will.post also some Erwitt dogs Photos non perfectly in focus with his Leica camera 😊. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 11, 2020 Share #39 Posted January 11, 2020 vor 41 Minuten schrieb Luca: Suggest to open a thread how to shoot dogs with Sony eye AF [...] Why don’t you go ahead. Sony users will have a field day with it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mercan Posted January 11, 2020 Share #40 Posted January 11, 2020 I am trying all as a new AF user, mostly AFc and tracking AF. SL+Apo VE 90-280@ƒ/2.9 1/400 95mm ISO50 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305186-seeking-experienced-advice-on-using-sl-for-movement/?do=findComment&comment=3889285'>More sharing options...
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