Saying so long to my CL

[jaapv]

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1 hour ago, ruskkyle said:

 

- accidentally swiping left to right on the touchscreen engages video mode.

In over a year I never found this out. Clearly a gesture I do not make naturally. thanks - quite practical!

[ruskkyle]

40 minutes ago, jaapv said:

In over a year I never found this out. Clearly a gesture I do not make naturally. thanks - quite practical!

It’s practical if you consider functions randomly engaging themselves to be desirable!

It’s not like it takes longer than 2 seconds to engage video via the top dial.

[jaapv]

Yes, I can understand that, I am rather critical of the Wandering Focus Point, which has only been solved partially, but this is a random issue I never experienced, apparently I don't handle the camera in a manner that provokes it.  I agree, we should be able to switch it off, like we should be able to lock the central focus point.

[Le Chef]

3 hours ago, ruskkyle said:

After a year’s use with the CL I’m comfortable enough but a couple of quirks annoy me no end.

- switching between Aperture and Shutter priority (which I do often) swaps the location of Ex comp wheel and there is no override. WHY?!?

- accidentally swiping left to right on the touchscreen engages video mode. Incredibly pointless and annoying as 1) it’s far too easy to do and 2) video mode is terrible. Would love to be able to disengage this.

You can determine where you want the Ex comp wheel to be in settings. I have it as right wheel for Aperture and Shutter priority.

Edited January 7, 2020 by Le Chef

[ruskkyle]

2 hours ago, Le Chef said:

You can determine where you want the Ex comp wheel to be in settings. I have it as right wheel for Aperture and Shutter priority.

Thanks! That must be a new feature 

[jaapv]

Yes , it is the update before last iirc

[Le Chef]

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31 minutes ago, ruskkyle said:

Thanks! That must be a new feature 

It's in 3.1 and has a separate section that allows you to assign functions to the wheels as well as the buttons. It IMHO makes a huge difference to keeping as much as you need the same between profiles and function switches like Aperture to Shutter priority.

Lots of good stuff in 3.1 but we STILL have the problem of the wandering focus point which should be locked off as the default. How many times do we have to say this before anything happens???

[robgo2]

On 1/7/2020 at 7:58 AM, jaapv said:

In over a year I never found this out. Clearly a gesture I do not make naturally. thanks - quite practical!

That sweeping gesture is undoubtedly a carryover from cell phone use. Damn those things  

[robgo2]

On 1/7/2020 at 8:54 AM, jaapv said:

Yes, I can understand that, I am rather critical of the Wandering Focus Point, which has only been solved partially, but this is a random issue I never experienced, apparently I don't handle the camera in a manner that provokes it.  I agree, we should be able to switch it off, like we should be able to lock the central focus point.

I know the cause of the wandering focus point, at least in my case. It comes from the heel of my hand inadvertently pressing one of the controller buttons on the back of the camera. I use the Leica handgrip, but even that doesn’t prevent it from happening. Thankfully, a double tap of the screen brings the point back to center. 

[gteague]

On 1/3/2020 at 3:15 PM, jaapv said:

I had the same issue with my 18-56. Leica replaced it within a few days. As for user error, it is hard to blame the camera for  it. I feel  more or less the same way when I have to play the church organ on the back of my Panasonic and Sony cameras, but rather blame myself for not remembering what I assigned to the sixteen buttons and am happy to return to my CL, which I have never needed the manual for. I guess you intuition differs from most of us.

Anyway, it is good to have choices. If you don't mesh with a user interface, it is indeed time to move on. (Btw, if you push the centre button of the arrow pad, the viewfinder will display almost everything you need...)

one of the most brilliant of all camera features arrived for me with the panasonic s1 and its myriad of functions buttons. seriously, i think there's well over two dozen not counting the touch screen ones. and i see leica has implemented it on the cl which makes me pre-love the camera although there's only like two function buttons.

the feature is holding down the button and it shows you what function is assigned to it and you can immediately change that function. simple but earthshaking in its usefulness and simplicity. seriously, with some of my cameras like the gh5 i'd made up index cards i carried in my shirt pocket. don't fear, you'll get old and lose your memory before long as well.  

despite my disastrous experience with m cameras outlined elsewhere, i'm delighted to see that leitz is adopting panasonic tech right and left and i understand the sl2 is basically an s1r with leica secret sauce applied. i've settled on panasonic for the last two decades for the user interfaces and they fit my style of shooting to a 't'. i''ve tried fuji and olympus and sony and all of them drive me crazy and i've abandoned all but an rx100 (which i usually shoot in /AI/ mode) because i just can't come to grips with their software. 

/guy

Edited February 26, 2020 by gteague

[gteague]

On 1/4/2020 at 6:26 AM, crf59 said:

[del]Worst user interface of everything I've owned? Olympus OM-D E-M1 MkII. [del]

amen brother, amen! i got rid of that camera within a week. i bought like 3 ebooks to help and there was no making any sense of it. /guy

[jaapv]

27 minutes ago, gteague said:

one of the most brilliant of all camera features arrived for me with the panasonic s1 and its myriad of functions buttons. seriously, i think there's well over two dozen not counting the touch screen ones. and i see leica has implemented it on the cl which makes me pre-love the camera although there's only like two function buttons.

the feature is holding down the button and it shows you what function is assigned to it and you can immediately change that function. simple but earthshaking in its usefulness and simplicity. seriously, with some of my cameras like the gh5 i'd made up index cards i carried in my shirt pocket. don't fear, you'll get old and lose your memory before long as well.  

despite my disastrous experience with m cameras outlined elsewhere, i'm delighted to see that leitz is adopting panasonic tech right and left and i understand the sl2 is basically an s1r with leica secret sauce applied. i've settled on panasonic for the last two decades for the user interfaces and they fit my style of shooting to a 't'. i''ve tried fuji and olympus and sony and all of them drive me crazy and i've abandoned all but an rx100 (which i usually shoot in /AI/ mode) because i just can't come to grips with their software. 

/guy

Actually the SL predated the S1 series quite a few years; another DPR myth?
It is more that Leica aided Panasonic in the full frame design and Panasonic Leica in the technical implementation.. Open an SL/SL2 up and you will see quite a few Panasonic logos Leica's close technical cooperation with Panasonic goes a long time back and is quite close, for instance the Digilux2 was more of a Leica design  than a Panasonic compact, produced by Panasonic using a Sony sensor and a fantastic full-Leica design lens. It works both ways: present-day Panasonic lenses owe quite a lot to Leica know-how.

[gteague]

i still have my gh5 and over a half dozen lumix leica lenses for it and i can pretty easily tell even the 'pseudo' leica ones, even the ones made in china vs japan or germany, have a certain look that even the lumix pro g m43 lenses lack. sadly, i can't use m43 lenses on much of anything but the gh5 as the s1 has nearly completely replaced it. but the two lumix pro s lenses i have for the s1are stamped 'leica certified' on the barrel. i assume panasonic got into naming problems because they used lumix leica for the m43 lenses and it would have caused confusion to re-use it, although it would have been the obvious choice. so they call the l-mount lenses s or s pro and stamp the leica text on them.

as i said, whoever introduced what first, the panasonic brand is by far the most efficient and easy to understand and use interface of any brand i've tried and the collaboration has resulted in great things. until the s1 i thought the gh5 was the pinnacle of  what could be achieved in the user interface and handling arena and i was wrong.

even with the leitz synergy, panasonic nearly went under last year i understand although i can't understand why except that phone cameras are becoming very very hard to beat, at least for those new to photography.

/guy

Edited February 26, 2020 by gteague