Donzo98 Posted November 23, 2019 Share #1 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I think this needed it's own thread. The fact that one the big positives for the SL2 is the optimization of M glass... this is a huge problem. It's not a one off either... reported by both people I trust who have the SL2. This is the same issue that plagues the SL2... but even worse. https://diglloyd.com/blog/2019/20190410_1126-PanasonicS1R-EVF-magnified-LiveView-focusing.html Edited November 23, 2019 by Donzo98 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nicci78 Posted November 23, 2019 Share #3 Posted November 23, 2019 buy a Sony ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share #4 Posted November 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, nicci78 said: buy a Sony ? Just thought it was interesting... could be a problem for those who use MF glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photonc Posted November 23, 2019 Share #5 Posted November 23, 2019 It's a huge problem and I'm surprised Leica let the SL2 enter the market with such an inferior manual focus experience. I hope they will address it in a future firmware update. They should have invested in a market leading EVF experience like they did with the SL1. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted November 23, 2019 Share #6 Posted November 23, 2019 What are we supposed to learn from three ultra-magnified iPhone pictures? The only interesting thing is that the Sony was shot at 80 ISO, whereas the two others were shot at 320 and 640 ISO. That probably explains why the pixel matrix is completely smoothed-out in the first two, but barely visible in the third. The link says that focus peaking isn't very accurate, which is true of all cameras. Nothing new there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted November 23, 2019 Share #7 Posted November 23, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) What lens was used in this tests? If M lens, was the aperture set wide open? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted November 23, 2019 Share #8 Posted November 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, SrMi said: What lens was used in this tests? If M lens, was the aperture set wide open? Thanks. No additional information was provided. If you mean the three pictures above, they were taken with an iPhone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted November 23, 2019 Share #9 Posted November 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, BernardC said: No additional information was provided. If you mean the three pictures above, they were taken with an iPhone. I meant: which lens was on cameras that were used in the three pictures above? I assume that Donzo98 knows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted November 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, BernardC said: What are we supposed to learn from three ultra-magnified iPhone pictures? The only interesting thing is that the Sony was shot at 80 ISO, whereas the two others were shot at 320 and 640 ISO. That probably explains why the pixel matrix is completely smoothed-out in the first two, but barely visible in the third. The link says that focus peaking isn't very accurate, which is true of all cameras. Nothing new there. OK... you can choose to believe or not. @photonc has tested all 3 bodies at the same time... currently has the SL2 (rented), and owns the other 2. I trust him... you don't have to. Digiloyd lying as well?? Why would anyone make this up?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
photonc Posted November 24, 2019 Share #11 Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) All photos were shot with an iphone through the EVF. The lens was 28mm on all cameras. It's a tough issue to quantify but the problem is that at higher magnifications, it can be difficult to ensure critical focus because the magnified image becomes "wormy" or "aliased". In some situations depending on how far you are away from the subject, it's a non issue. As you get higher in magnification the problem becomes worse. Having the largest and and highest resolution EVF is useless if it loses those properties when magnifying for MF use. The 3 year old Sony A9 performs better in this regard. I think the SL1 did a great job of moving the market forward with EVF's for manual focus but the SL2 is a step backwards for MF shooters in my opinion. I will probably still buy the SL2 at some point but I do hope Leica listens to some of the concerns and works to fix them with firmware if possible. Edited November 24, 2019 by photonc 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted November 24, 2019 Share #12 Posted November 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Donzo98 said: you can choose to believe or not All I said was that you can't tell anything from those pictures, other than the previously-known fact that iPhones (and competing smartphones) use a lot of "smoothing" at high ISO. It doesn't even look like the first two pictures are in focus, or are we to understand that those two cameras don't have a pixel matrix in their display chip, whereas the third (which uses the same chip) does? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share #13 Posted November 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, SrMi said: I meant: which lens was on cameras that were used in the three pictures above? I assume that Donzo98 knows. No... sorry. I didn't shoot them. Friend did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, BernardC said: All I said was that you can't tell anything from those pictures, other than the previously-known fact that iPhones (and competing smartphones) use a lot of "smoothing" at high ISO. It doesn't even look like the first two pictures are in focus, or are we to understand that those two cameras don't have a pixel matrix in their display chip, whereas the third (which uses the same chip) does? I don't know why... What I'm saying is that the MAG VIEW on the SL2 is not good... worse than the SL (and S1). People I trust have used it... and have reported it. For critical focus it's not the experience it should be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share #15 Posted November 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Artin said: I don’t know how it is on a S1 And I don’t know how it is on a Sony A9. But I just put on a 35mm 1.4 lens while sitting in my living room in very dim light I have not had any issues with critical focus at any magnification. The bloody thing irks just fine Good to hear... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpwhite Posted November 24, 2019 Share #16 Posted November 24, 2019 FWIW, the Blad X1D II shows the same sort of defect in its "higher resolution" EVF, when used with magnification for MF. I was very surprised to find focusing easier with my old X1D than the "improved" body. I assumed Hasselblad had just shipped out not-ready-for-prime-time bodies in desperation. I just rented an SL2 to test with my M lenses, but reads like this processing bug may be across manufacturers... darn! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaR10 Posted November 24, 2019 Share #17 Posted November 24, 2019 Donzo98, I received both SL2 bodies three days ago from my Leica dealer for my business. I agree with Artin in his Post 15. Both my staff and me tested the cameras the last two days before we head out for a project. No issues whatsoever. Both cameras work perfectly. Just our field report. r/ Mark 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted November 24, 2019 Author Share #18 Posted November 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, LeicaR10 said: Donzo98, I received both SL2 bodies three days ago from my Leica dealer for my business. I agree with Artin in his Post 15. Both my staff and me tested the cameras the last two days before we head out for a project. No issues whatsoever. Both cameras work perfectly. Just our field report. r/ Mark That's good to hear. Are you using MAG view for critical manual focus for these projects too?? I have no dog in the fight... and honestly would love a reason to get an SL2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted November 24, 2019 Share #19 Posted November 24, 2019 1 minute ago, gpwhite said: FWIW, the Blad X1D II shows the same sort of defect in its "higher resolution" EVF, when used with magnification for MF. Hmmm... Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the issue, but I havent noticed any problems with my copy of the X1DII, at least at 50% mag in what I'l admit is relatively limited experience. Given the conversations, I just tried shooting this very screen and had zero issues with the result. Examined in LR. Curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaR10 Posted November 24, 2019 Share #20 Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Donzo98, Yes we did for testing. We will see if the scenes require it when we get out in the field and report back. As for Lloyd, I use to subscribe long ago to his site. He became a very, very biased and IMO anti-Leica reviewer. We found his "testing" flawed and conclusions even more flawed. So, we do our own testing and read Reid's and Jono's reviews. I found those more valuable and insightful than anything Lloyd wrote. Just our experience. For us, proof is in use. If I have real issues, I let Stephan Schulz know directly. So far...Alles ist gut! r/ Mark Edited November 24, 2019 by LeicaR10 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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