sillbeers15 Posted November 6, 2019 Share #61 Posted November 6, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 minutes ago, vikasmg said: I just meant I was disappointed by it's not being lighter and more compact. I'm not too fussed about the autofocus - I know that is critical for many people but so much not for me personally. It is a challenging task to jam ‘everything everybody wants’ into a 6”x3”x2” box. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vikasmg Posted November 6, 2019 Share #62 Posted November 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said: User menu is a total departure from our familiar Leica camera SL/M10 style menu. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! This looks interesting. It may mean a bit of relearning but I suspect after a couple of days I may like this better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted November 6, 2019 Share #63 Posted November 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, vikasmg said: Ah, maybe I should drop by. I messaged Nadia and she didn't tell me that. I guess you have better privileges 🙂 Please don’t take it that way. 😅 we are all her customers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikasmg Posted November 6, 2019 Share #64 Posted November 6, 2019 Just now, sillbeers15 said: Please don’t take it that way. 😅 we are all her customers. Just kidding - I'm in so much of hurry. I can wait. Anyway I'm heading for the US later in the month and I'm on a list out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
panoreserve Posted November 6, 2019 Share #65 Posted November 6, 2019 I can‘t find IBIS... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikasmg Posted November 6, 2019 Share #66 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said: It is a challenging task to jam ‘everything everybody wants’ into a 6”x3”x2” box. This is true. Sony has managed it but then you'd have to use a Sony 😏 Edited November 6, 2019 by vikasmg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SrMi Posted November 6, 2019 Share #67 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) 30 minutes ago, vikasmg said: This is true. Sony has managed it but then you'd have to use a Sony 😏 I know of at least one Sony owner who wishes the body was larger as it does not handle well in its current small size. I am fine with both SL and Nikon Z/Sony A7xx sizes. For Leica L-mount zooms, I prefer SL size, but for M lenses, Nikon Z size would be nicer. Edited November 6, 2019 by SrMi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted November 6, 2019 Share #68 Posted November 6, 2019 34 minutes ago, sillbeers15 said: The SL2 demo already in Raffles LS since mid last week. Sounds BS to me my friend, I was there last week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 6, 2019 Share #69 Posted November 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr.Q said: This sounds awfully similar to the Panasonic's DFD.... Autofocus System - Based on contrast metering and depth mapping And I wonder what happened to the rumored "lighter camera?" Leica SL - 771/847 g (without/with battery) Leica SL2 - Approx. 835g (without battery) If my math is correct, the SL2 is 64g heavier? Your math is wrong. SL2 is 12g lighter... 835g is with the battery ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDoc Posted November 6, 2019 Share #70 Posted November 6, 2019 vor 1 Stunde schrieb caissa: A short video. Video was "killed" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted November 6, 2019 Share #71 Posted November 6, 2019 1 hour ago, sillbeers15 said: User menu is a total departure from our familiar Leica camera SL/M10 style menu. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! nice..looks a bit like the T+canon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted November 6, 2019 Share #72 Posted November 6, 2019 1 minute ago, frame-it said: nice..looks a bit like the T+canon That was my first impression, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald Weissman Posted November 6, 2019 Share #73 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) Having compared the S1R specs (plus new firmware coming 11/19) with these rumored SL2 specs, the only major differences I could find were: Shutter Sync speed: SL2 1/250, S1R: 1/320 Exposure compensation: SL2: +/- 3, S1R: +/- 5 Flash system: SL2: current Leica flash system; S1R (Panasonic/Oly system with new support for Profoto (Olympus version) controller--good news for those of us who are Profoto users. Continuous shooting: SL2: 10 fps (with basic electronic shooting potentially 20 fps vs. S1R 9 fps. The overall dimensions of the SL2 are slightly smaller than the S1R but not meaningfully so, and the weight of the two cameras is quite close if you add batteries to both. Obviously this hardly exhausts potential differences such as better autofocus or better build. Also, I couldn't find enough detail on video bitrates to be able to see if there is a significant difference between the two cameras' video options. And, as others have noted, the SL2 spec sheet doesn't mention IBIS. Anyone else find any other material differences between the S1R and SL2 stated specs/capabilities? Edited November 6, 2019 by Ronald Weissman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillbeers15 Posted November 6, 2019 Share #74 Posted November 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ronald Weissman said: Having compared the S1R specs (plus new firmware coming 11/19) with these rumored SL2 specs, the only major differences I could find were: Shutter Sync speed: SL2 1/250, S1R: 1/320 Exposure compensation: SL2: +/- 3, S1R: +/- 5 Flash system: SL2: current Leica flash system; S1R (Panasonic/Oly system with new support for Profoto (Olympus version) controller--good news for those of us who are Profoto users. The overall dimensions of the SL2 are slightly smaller but not meaningfully so, and the weight of the two cameras is quite close if you add batteries to both. Obviously this hardly exhausts potential differences such as better autofocus or better build. Also, I couldn't find enough detail on video bitrates to be able to see if there is a significant difference between the two cameras' video options. And, as others have noted, the SL2 spec sheet doesn't mention IBIS. Anyone else find any other material differences between the S1R and SL2 stated specs/capabilities? Do you go out to buy a car by comparing brochure specifications alone? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted November 6, 2019 Share #75 Posted November 6, 2019 anyways..if the sensor is shifting to allow multishot..then its probably got IBIS too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted November 6, 2019 Share #76 Posted November 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr.Q said: This sounds awfully similar to the Panasonic's DFD.... Autofocus System - Based on contrast metering and depth mapping And I wonder what happened to the rumored "lighter camera?" Leica SL - 771/847 g (without/with battery) Leica SL2 - Approx. 835g (without battery) If my math is correct, the SL2 is 64g heavier? Your math is wrong. SL2 is 12g lighter... 835g is with the battery ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Griebel Posted November 6, 2019 Share #77 Posted November 6, 2019 It seems like the buffer memory on the SL2 is double the size of the S1R. Leica SL2 4 GB: DNG: 78 recordings / JPG: > 100 recordings Panasonic S1R: RAW: 40 exposures / JPG: 50 exposures Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 6, 2019 Share #78 Posted November 6, 2019 vor 8 Minuten schrieb Ronald Weissman: Having compared the S1R specs (plus new firmware coming 11/19) with these rumored SL2 specs, the only major differences I could find were: Shutter Sync speed: SL2 1/250, S1R: 1/320 Exposure compensation: SL2: +/- 3, S1R: +/- 5 Flash system: SL2: current Leica flash system; S1R (Panasonic/Oly system with new support for Profoto (Olympus version) controller--good news for those of us who are Profoto users. Continuous shooting: SL2: 10 fps (with basic electronic shooting potentially 20 fps vs. S1R 9 fps. The overall dimensions of the SL2 are slightly smaller than the S1R but not meaningfully so, and the weight of the two cameras is quite close if you add batteries to both. Obviously this hardly exhausts potential differences such as better autofocus or better build. Also, I couldn't find enough detail on video bitrates to be able to see if there is a significant difference between the two cameras' video options. And, as others have noted, the SL2 spec sheet doesn't mention IBIS. Anyone else find any other material differences between the S1R and SL2 stated specs/capabilities? You missed the difference in video specs: 4K at 60fps and 10-bit output. The only thing I want to know right now is whether this is with the full width of the frame or in crop mode. The S1R has limited video capabilities. It can't read the entire sensor to output 4K video and has to either line-skip (with small 1.1x crop) or crop to APS-C and tops its frame rate at 30fps. It can't output 10-bit video, either externally or internally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronald Weissman Posted November 6, 2019 Share #79 Posted November 6, 2019 Do I buy a car by comparing brochure specs? Of course not and I nowhere implied that I'd make an SL2 decision by spec sheets alone. I'm sorry if I somehow implied otherwise. As I said, the specs don't say anything about usability (or, for example image quality using M or R lenses.) But it is helpful to know how different are the technical capabilities of the new SL2 are compared to the existing L mount champ, the S1R and if one is giving up any built-in capability by choosing one over the other in terms of basic functions--like flash systems. For some of us, certain capabilities (for me, for example, flash) are important. I had heard rumors that Leica was expanding its range of flash options and was disappointed by these specs, which I hope are not the full flash story. As an event shooter, that's important to me--even before I've physically tried out the SL2. Is it a deal-breaker, probably not. But it is worth noting. Sillbeers15, my sincere apologies for wasting your time! That was not my intent. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Dahl Posted November 6, 2019 Share #80 Posted November 6, 2019 3 hours ago, sillbeers15 said: Yes. Now you know why S1R’s AFC is only 6fps/s. If all the AF tracking works well at 6fps/s, I am a happy man. I’m not asking for much. 1+ Same here 📸 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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