JP1970 Posted October 28, 2019 Share #1 Posted October 28, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello! I have a M4 and a M6. With the M6, the loading is super easy, basically dropping the film and close the bottom plate. With the M4, if I don't pay close attention to the loading and advancing 3 times before closing the bottom plate (checking that the film is taken up correctly), the film can loosen from the taking spool (tulip). This has happened a number of times and I always dread it might happen. Now, I think I have a workaround but I have to waste 2-3 frames. Any suggestions? If it needs a service, what would most likely be the parts? And being from 1970, would those be available? I love how the M4 feels and operates in my hands but the M6 TTL is more reliable... Kind regards, Joakim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted October 28, 2019 Share #2 Posted October 28, 2019 Hello Joakim, Very strange that you need to advance 3 times to be certain the loading is fine. Check the spring load inside the M4's "tulip" if it's fine (like your M6 ttl ), or the screw at it's bottom to be tighten a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP1970 Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share #3 Posted October 28, 2019 29 minutes ago, a.noctilux said: Hello Joakim, Very strange that you need to advance 3 times to be certain the loading is fine. Check the spring load inside the M4's "tulip" if it's fine (like your M6 ttl ), or the screw at it's bottom to be tighten a bit. Thanks, I'll compare them. I'll bring out the magnifying glass : ) Yes, it's strange. If do the same as with M6, drop in, then the take up spool just doesn't catch the film. Or if it does, it lets it loose after a couple of advances... very sensitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted November 8, 2019 Share #4 Posted November 8, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 5:35 AM, JP1970 said: Hello! I have a M4 and a M6. With the M6, the loading is super easy, basically dropping the film and close the bottom plate. With the M4, if I don't pay close attention to the loading and advancing 3 times before closing the bottom plate (checking that the film is taken up correctly), the film can loosen from the taking spool (tulip). This has happened a number of times and I always dread it might happen. Now, I think I have a workaround but I have to waste 2-3 frames. Any suggestions? If it needs a service, what would most likely be the parts? And being from 1970, would those be available? I love how the M4 feels and operates in my hands but the M6 TTL is more reliable... Kind regards, Joakim Joakim, An M3 I am reviving had the tulip load and I am having the same problem. I am going to replace it with the standard M3 take up spool, used this type of loading with M2s that I used for 30 or so years. It is now at its second trip to YYE, first CLA now replacing the shutter curtains. I'll see if it can be replaced, bottom plate may have been changed, and report how it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frase Posted November 9, 2019 Share #5 Posted November 9, 2019 My M4 is quite worn and I have to put a fold in the end of the film to get it to catch easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP1970 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 2:38 PM, tommonego@gmail.com said: Joakim, An M3 I am reviving had the tulip load and I am having the same problem. I am going to replace it with the standard M3 take up spool, used this type of loading with M2s that I used for 30 or so years. It is now at its second trip to YYE, first CLA now replacing the shutter curtains. I'll see if it can be replaced, bottom plate may have been changed, and report how it works. Thanks for the input and good luck with your M3 (which I am lusting for too - haha). Interesting to hear about the results... Kind regards Joakim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP1970 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted November 9, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Frase said: My M4 is quite worn and I have to put a fold in the end of the film to get it to catch easier. Hi, ok, thanks, I'll try that too and see if helps! Kind regards, Joakim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted November 14, 2019 Share #8 Posted November 14, 2019 Just received the M3 back from having a shutter curtain replaced. I removed the offending spool and replaced it with a standard M3 spool. All is good the camera loaded with out problem, yes I have to pull the spool out to load it, but I did this for years with 2 M2s so just have to awaken my muscle memory. Below is the spool that was giving problems, wasn't quite a tulip spool. The oof piece was on the base plate. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/302890-m4-film-advance-issue-suggestions/?do=findComment&comment=3854673'>More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted November 14, 2019 Share #9 Posted November 14, 2019 This was a quick-load conversion that Leitz sold as an accessory late in M2-3 production. I believe they sold an M2 model with it pre-installed. I’ve tried on on an M3, and also went back to the standard spool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted November 15, 2019 Share #10 Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Hello Everybody, I think that you will find the answers to the "mysterious snail" question in Posts #'s 8, 9 & 11 of "Loading an M3. Take Up Spools". Right here, in this Film "M" Camera Section. Best Regards, Michael Edited November 15, 2019 by Michael Geschlecht Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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