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17 minutes ago, jankap said:

Leica M Monochrom and Leica M10 are the same width (139 mm) and both of the same height.

Leica M Monochrom is 4% (1.5 mm) thinner than Leica M10.

Leica M Monochrom [600 g] weights 9% (60 grams) less than Leica M10 [660 g] (*inc. batteries and memory card).

Not sure where you are getting your information. Leica give the original Monochrom (M9 Body) as 42mm thick and the M10 as  38.5. The latter includes the thumb grip so feels even thinner- the baseplate is same width as M7. It is generally recognised the M10 is thinner than M9 and M(Type240)  series bodies.

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I have the MM1 and the M10, and just put them side by side, measured the thickness (top plate at comparable points, and bottom plate).  The M10 is thinner front to back at all points. It’s marginally taller.

That said, I don’t really care as a practical matter, as both handle well size-wise.  Both are already capable of great pics, with me as the limiting factor. The M10’s quiet operation, robust build and better weather sealing, reliability, much better VF, 2m frame lines, etc. matter far more to me, and would be the appeal of an M10M.  

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb pedaes:

Not sure where you are getting your information. Leica give the original Monochrom (M9 Body) as 42mm thick and the M10 as  38.5. The latter includes the thumb grip so feels even thinner- the baseplate is same width as M7. It is generally recognised the M10 is thinner than M9 and M(Type240)  series bodies.

See camerasize.com. They are perhaps wrong.

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8 minutes ago, jankap said:

See camerasize.com. They are perhaps wrong.

I think Leica know the size of their cameras, and see Jeff S above. Having all three, please be assured the M10 feels considerably thinner. In fact just put M10 baseplate to baseplate with M2 and exactly the same thickness. This reduced thickness was top of the 'wants' from a lot of M9 and M(240) owners.

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Picture here of M(246) and M10 from overhead, showing thickness (second picture set):

https://photo.imx.nl/leica/camera/styled-56/

One can lay a ruler on the screen (although that may reveal only relative thickness, not exact mm). The images are just slightly over life-size on my screen: top-plate edges, M10 38.1mm, M246 41.9mm

I'd guess camerasize.com just aggregated specs from other online sources, rather than actually measuring the cameras themselves.

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On 11/1/2019 at 7:23 PM, Lonescapes said:

The 246 already sells for 4000 in reasonably good condition semi-regularly if you keep an eye on auction sites. One in good condition recently sold in the DC area for 3800.

I paid 5300€ for my M246 brand new from a Leica Store - sold it and never bought a second hand because they are all expensive compared to what I paid. I OBVIOUSLY regretted that. Got the MM1 - waitlisted for next generation and will keep

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27 minutes ago, adan said:

Picture here of M(246) and M10 from overhead, showing thickness (second picture set):

https://photo.imx.nl/leica/camera/styled-56/

One can lay a ruler on the screen (although that may reveal only relative thickness, not exact mm). The images are just slightly over life-size on my screen: top-plate edges, M10 38.1mm, M246 41.9mm

I'd guess camerasize.com just aggregated specs from other online sources, rather than actually measuring the cameras themselves.

I think we were comparing the MM1 (not M246) with the M10.  At least that’s what I was measuring and discussing above.

Jeff

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Both the original Monochrom and the M246 are noticeably thicker than the M10.  It's not even close.

One of the design goals of the M10 was to return to the body thickness of film M's.  Presumably, the new M10M will share that thin design.

 

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11 hours ago, Jager said:

Both the original Monochrom and the M246 are noticeably thicker than the M10.  It's not even close.

 

 

Well, it is close, but in Leica M world it might as well be a mile. I keep my MM and M10 on a shelf together, and the only difference outsiders might notice, even in hand, is that one is black and one is silver. :)

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1 hour ago, james.liam said:

Don't hold your breath. No room for such a mechanism in the compact package.

Sony had IBIS in own mirrorless for some time now.  This illustration is with Z7 and M246, rather than elaborating one way or other the picture is worth thousand words, I’ll just say the Z7 is fitted with IBIS.

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23 minutes ago, mmradman said:

Sony had IBIS in own mirrorless for some time now.  This illustration is with Z7 and M246, rather than elaborating one way or other the picture is worth thousand words, I’ll just say the Z7 is fitted with IBIS.

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Note the sensor-plane indicator on the top-right of the Nikon. The Z mount has 16mm of room between the mount and the sensor; the M mount has 27.8mm. So, yes, Leica could fit the same electronics in a similarly sized camera, but would need a mount that's 12mm proud of the camera body to have the same amount of room inside the camera to work with.

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17 minutes ago, JonPB said:

 

Note the sensor-plane indicator on the top-right of the Nikon. The Z mount has 16mm of room between the mount and the sensor; the M mount has 27.8mm. So, yes, Leica could fit the same electronics in a similarly sized camera, but would need a mount that's 12mm proud of the camera body to have the same amount of room inside the camera to work with.

And you have a corpulent M246 in the picture. Compare it to the M10. Cost and miniturization aside, just don't see Leica doing it as it digresses from the simplicity of the M.

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Man, if Leica could give me a few extra stops so that I don’t have to fix my sh$t technique I for one would love it. And the M isn’t that much thicker than the SL and doesn’t have to squeeze in that monster EVF so I for one think IBIS is possible and welcomed. 
 

also, would love some sort of RF that never needs adjustment. One can always wish. 

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