Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 9, 2007 Share #321 Posted August 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) End of November Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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guywalder Posted August 9, 2007 Share #322 Posted August 9, 2007 It is surprising that Nikon either does not feel the need for a full frame DSLR or does not have the ability to produce one (unlikely). They have effectively ceded this business to Canon. If one of the new Sony Alpha DSLR models is full frame, this will be the only real alternative to Canon and is bound to pick up quite a bit of business, especially when allied to CZ glass. I think CZ may have made an error making their current mid range zoom VS lens small format, unless of course, they have a more expensive full frame version in the wings. CZ's mid range and wide zooms have traditionally been as good, if not better than anyone else's. Look at the photodo MTF figures for proof. Wilson Wilson, 'full frame' didnt save Kodak's DSLR business, nor did it save Contax. On the other hand Nikon have overtaken Canon in terms of sales in Japan, so they must be doing something right. I have a 'less than full frame' Nikon DSLR (and a less than full frame Leica M8) because thats whats available and compatible with my exsiting equipment, and I am not interested in chopping and changing all of my equipment every time Canon or Nikon or whoever set the new bench mark.... That said I do want a full frame Nikon, for the 1 reason that I want to get back to a narrow DOF. Whether the much rumoured upcoming D3 is full frame or not remains to be seen, whether I can afford it if it is also remains to be seen! Guy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted August 9, 2007 Share #323 Posted August 9, 2007 I've been looking for a Leica 35mm ASPH for sometime and missed out on auctions and for sales ads. I'm pretty confident that f2.5 will be bright enough for my uses, what do you think, is it worth waiting for a new 35mm Summarit instead? Any one have a clue when the Summarit will be available? Leica says November... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 9, 2007 Share #324 Posted August 9, 2007 Prices in Leica Berlín, including sets: Leica Berlin: Special Offers I would suggest to include the 28mm Elmarit ASPH in those set offers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted August 9, 2007 Share #325 Posted August 9, 2007 Ah Ah Ah... I WROTE IT ! "they are becoming marketing wise" : for me, I'm already thinking of the 75... I've got onlythe Hektor 73 of the '20s... .I was thinking about the 75 CV or a used Lux... for me right announcement at the right time. Same for me, the 73mm Hektor is nice but heavy and you have to use it at 5.6 to get sharp results. I was about to order a 75 CV, now I shall wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 9, 2007 Share #326 Posted August 9, 2007 Prices in Leica Berlín, including sets:Leica Berlin: Special Offers... Thank you Ruben. 'Special offers' for Elmarit 90/2.8 and Elmar 50/2.8 sound as if the latters could be pushing up daisies soon or late i'm afraid. Sad for the Elmar 50 if it's true. Don't hesitate to buy it if you don't own one mates. It is very sharp with a smooth bokeh and if you like the Tessar look you will be happy with this little beauty. A bit too contrasty for digital though but most current M lenses are like that aren't they. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 9, 2007 Share #327 Posted August 9, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting that the special price for the 90/2.8 (€1299, down from €1700) is still more than the price for the Summarit-M 90/2.5 (€1250). The 50/2.8 is down to €799 from €900. BTW, Erwin Puts article confirms the 75 and 90s have rubber finger grips, a new direction for M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 9, 2007 Share #328 Posted August 9, 2007 Thank you Ruben.'Special offers' for Elmarit 90/2.8 and Elmar 50/2.8 sound as if the latters could be pushing up daisies soon or late i'm afraid. Sad for the Elmar 50 if it's true. Don't hesitate to buy it if you don't own one mates. It is very sharp with a smooth bokeh and if you like the Tessar look you will be happy with this little beauty. A bit too contrasty for digital though but most current M lenses are like that aren't they. I 100% agree about the little Elmar. It is on my M8 more than any other lens. It makes a perfect companion for the Noctilux - Little and Large. That is a very competitive price for the Digilux 3 from Leica Berlin - brings the price down to about the same as its clone, the Panasonic LX1. Could they be struggling to sell the D3? On paper it does not stack up too well against a Nikon D200 + 18-200 lens at about the same price. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joop van Heijgen Posted August 9, 2007 Share #329 Posted August 9, 2007 Interesting that the special price for the 90/2.8 (€1299, down from €1700) is still more than the price for the Summarit-M 90/2.5 (€1250). The 50/2.8 is down to €799 from €900. BTW, Erwin Puts article confirms the 75 and 90s have rubber finger grips, a new direction for M lenses. These new lenses are 'cost cutting' lenses! Rubber finger grips on you Leica lenses?!! Mechanical they will probably not have the qualitiy of the 'older' types! You cannot make a lens like the Summarit-M 90/2,5 for the lower price of a Elmarit 90/2,8 M with the same optical and mechanical quality! 'Well kept secret" They are made in China and they put it in a box in Germany! On the box: 'Made in Germany" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted August 9, 2007 Share #330 Posted August 9, 2007 These new lenses are 'cost cutting' lenses! Rubber finger grips on you Leica lenses?!! Mechanical they will probably not have the qualitiy of the 'older' types! You cannot make a lens like the Summarit-M 90/2,5 for the lower price of a Elmarit 90/2,8 M with the same optical and mechanical quality! 'Well kept secret" They are made in China and they put it in a box in Germany! On the box: 'Made in Germany" Joop, I have seldom read such tosh. You seem to delight in sweeping generalisations, opinions presented as facts, and downright rubbish. Back up your accusations or shut up. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 9, 2007 Share #331 Posted August 9, 2007 'full frame' didnt save Kodak's DSLR business, nor did it save Contax. On the other hand Nikon have overtaken Canon in terms of sales in Japan, so they must be doing something right. Pentax also developed a 35mm FF camera, but they stopped the project just before the camera reached the market. It wasn't easy to make a 35FF camera 5 years ago. Now the technical and market conditions are different. Canon has succeeded in making affordable and top performer full frame cameras. Nikon, Sony or Leica are forced to catch up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 9, 2007 Share #332 Posted August 9, 2007 It's worth reading Erwins article on the new lenses which suggests a radical rethink on how to make lower cost lenses. The 90/2.8 is one of the "old-school" and the price reflects that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 9, 2007 Share #333 Posted August 9, 2007 These new lenses are 'cost cutting' lenses! Rubber finger grips on you Leica lenses?!! Mechanical they will probably not have the qualitiy of the 'older' types! You cannot make a lens like the Summarit-M 90/2,5 for the lower price of a Elmarit 90/2,8 M with the same optical and mechanical quality! 'Well kept secret" They are made in China and they put it in a box in Germany! On the box: 'Made in Germany" 1) where do you get this nonsense from? 2) assuming you don't have any facts and this is entirely your own imagination, why present it as fact? 3) you clearly aren't interested in these lenses so why bother posting anything at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 9, 2007 Share #334 Posted August 9, 2007 I've been looking for a Leica 35mm ASPH for sometime and missed out on auctions and for sales ads. I'm pretty confident that f2.5 will be bright enough for my uses, what do you think, is it worth waiting for a new 35mm Summarit instead? Any one have a clue when the Summarit will be available? There are several 35 Cron Asphs for sale in the B&S forum. One chrome one for €1200, one black one for $1949, another black one for €1350, another black one for $1975, all fair prices, and several of them are as new, or actually new. I am not sure what you have missed, unless you are hoping for one of those grandfather's old lens for €300 deals. I am also selling mine, a perfect black copy with no focusing issues, for €1300. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 9, 2007 Share #335 Posted August 9, 2007 Interesting that the special price for the 90/2.8 (€1299, down from €1700) is still more than the price for the Summarit-M 90/2.5 (€1250). The 50/2.8 is down to €799 from €900. BTW, Erwin Puts article confirms the 75 and 90s have rubber finger grips, a new direction for M lenses. Erwin Puts appears to try very hard to imply in his article that he has tested the lenses, but does not actually say so, nor make an unambiguous statement that he has them. My feeling is that he is trying hard to seem as if he has inside knowledge without actually having any, and is therefore being a little creative with his guesses. He should rather explain those little holes in the mounts of the 75 and 90 lenses. I think it is likely that there is rubber on the 75 and 90 focusing rings, given the pictures, but will wait until the real reviews come out to be sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted August 9, 2007 Share #336 Posted August 9, 2007 Prices in Leica Berlín, including sets: Leica Berlin: Special Offers I would suggest to include the 28mm Elmarit ASPH in those set offers. Hmmmm I wonder how accurate their prices are. Leica R9 'set' with 35/70 = 3995. Bought separately = 3772 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 9, 2007 Share #337 Posted August 9, 2007 It is surprising that Nikon either does not feel the need for a full frame DSLR or does not have the ability to produce one (unlikely). They have effectively ceded this business to Canon. Nikon still relies on sensors from Sony, AFAIK. It is not clear that Canon's FF business is actually helping them. Their most popular pro camera is the 1DII/1DIIN/1DIII line, I believe, which is 1.3x anyway. Nikon has a lot of good FF lenses, and I presume that they will add a FF camera to their lineup when they think it is hurting their business. The D2Xs was a bit of a sleeper, and crept to the top of several pro camera ratings charts, displacing the 1Ds2 without anyone noticing. The 1D3 is now there, not fully deserved yet: RE-POLL: MkIII have AF issues? - FM Forums As someone else has posted, Nikon's sales topped Canon's in Japan this last year, so if anything, I would say that Nikon is getting it right and Canon should pay more attention. The D40/D40x/D80/D200 strategy seems to be beating Canon's 400D/30D/5D strategy. The 5D is too expensive to outcompete the D200, and the 30D is too old at this point. Canon is also missing a really cheap camera like the D40. A friend of mine just bought a D40 on my recommendation and is super-happy with it, spending lots of time learning photography and getting very serious about it. Another point is that at high ISO, apparently the D40/D40x are at least the equals of the 400D, and the D2Xs is at least as good as the 1Ds2. The 5D is still without peer, but the D200 is not that far behind, and is a lot cheaper, so I would not be surprised if Nikon's strategy is winning financially in this area. If I buy a non-Leica again at some point in the future, I find the Nikons a lot more attractive, especially with their superior ergonomics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 9, 2007 Share #338 Posted August 9, 2007 Didn't Canon release some new models a short time ago? I'd imagine who is selling best has a lot to do with the release schedule of Nikon and Canon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 9, 2007 Share #339 Posted August 9, 2007 Yes and no. The 30D is not that old, but it is out of date. Before that, the 1D2N was not that much of an update on the 1D2. Canon has been slipping, and Nikon has kept the pace up, but it is not only the pace, but also what Canon finally does ship. The 1D3 should help them a bit, at least once the focusing problems have been cured, but they are losing at the low end, where all the money is. As an irrelevant aside, I also find that white lenses look daft. Chrome on chrome is a personal taste issue and all that, but white on black looks plain silly, like lenses made of paper or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 9, 2007 Share #340 Posted August 9, 2007 Isn't the white finish on the big teles and zooms to do with thermal expansion with black bodies? I agree they look stupid, but on the other hand they get Canon noticed on TV at sporting events, and as with all photographers in the NFL being required to wear Canon vests, it publicity like that that matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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