Visoflex 020 upgrade

[strohscw]

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Please Leica, I love my M10 but please give us an updated EVF so that I can extend the use of my M10 to all areas the fantastic OVF can not do. 

I know that You can do that, I know that the technology improved.

Thanks,

 

Wolfram

[Kwesi]

I don't own a VF 020 for my M10P ( I opted for a Brightline 21 finder) but am curious what features you feel are missing. 

[jaapv]

Yes,technology improved, but I doubt whether the camera could handle the required processing power and heat dissipation. 

[a.noctilux]

Yes, as it is now, the Visoflex 020 that I use since I have M10, can hardly be "improved" ( what to be improved ? ).

The heat rise on the M10 body can lead to trouble if the "improved Viso" which may drive more juice.

Sometimes, when I use the Viso 020 for relative long time, the M10's heat feeling in my hand lead me wonder why so much heat and battery sink.

 

If the improved model can use less energy, I'd buy one ... but in this case, the resolution or flickering may be the same as the present model,

or in this present model, separately use GPS or EVF ( maybe this can be done via firmware update ) to drain less battery and cause less heat.

[Macberg]

There is absolutely no problem with my Visoflex, there is no need to change anything for me.

[james.liam]

2 hours ago, jaapv said:

Yes,technology improved, but I doubt whether the camera could handle the required processing power and heat dissipation. 

Perhaps a small internal battery and casing material that dissipates heat better?

[01maciel]

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vor 6 Stunden schrieb strohscw:

please give us an updated EVF so that I can extend the use of my M10 to all areas the fantastic OVF can not do. 

So, whats wrong with the Visoflex 020 apart from a) size b) battery drainage c) causing high temperatures d) clunky design and e) low resolution ?  😚

[dkmoore]

I can't focus fast enough while getting reliably in focus results with the 020 anyway. I probably need more practice but I'm SO much faster and more accurate with the rangefinder.

The only time I break out the 020 is for certain landscape and building photography.

For those few times I use it, the 020 actually exceeds my requirements/expectations.

If I used the EVF even 50% of the time I probably wouldn't be using M cameras as my primary gear.

Edited September 26, 2019 by dkmoore

[jaapv]

4 hours ago, james.liam said:

Perhaps a small internal battery and casing material that dissipates heat better?

And a processor replacement? And an internal  memory upgrade?

[evikne]

13 minutes ago, dkmoore said:

I can't focus fast enough while getting reliably in focus results with the 020 anyway. I probably need more practice but I'm SO much faster and more accurate with the rangefinder.

The only time I break out the 020 is for certain landscape and building photography.

For those few times I use it, the 020 actually exceeds my requirements/expectations.

If I used the EVF even 50% of the time I probably wouldn't be using M cameras as my primary gear.

I agree with everything, except that the only thing I use my Visoflex for now, is for close-up photography of various stuff and things. And those times I actually could have used the back screen of my camera instead.

[LBJ2]

8 hours ago, strohscw said:

Please Leica, I love my M10 but please give us an updated EVF so that I can extend the use of my M10 to all areas the fantastic OVF can not do. 

I know that You can do that, I know that the technology improved.

Thanks,

 

Wolfram

Have you tried the Visoflex 020 with your M10?   https://leicastoremiami.com/products/leica-visoflex-typ-020-black?variant=705211461

[lucerne]

2 hours ago, LBJ2 said:

Have you tried the Visoflex 020 with your M10?   https://leicastoremiami.com/products/leica-visoflex-typ-020-black?variant=705211461

The op (who is located in Austria, not Miami,)  has started this thread with a title  Visoflex 020 upgrade.   Presumably he has this device but we know it’s the only available option and it sounds like he wants an improved/enhanced one.  I can’t imagine why.  Maybe he hasn’t tried the device.   The External 020 will provide an electronic view with any of his Focal length lenses fitted to his m10.   Alternatively, perhaps he’s asking for an internal evf which isn’t part of the m10.      
if that’s the case, he needs to go through all the discussions on the subject.  

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by lucerne

[pico]

10 minutes ago, lucerne said:

perhaps he’s asking for an internal evf which isn’t part of the m10.  

It isn't?

[lucerne]

24 minutes ago, pico said:

It isn't?

Pico . Is that a fact or a question.  ????  are you querying whether the M10 has an internal EVF.  Of course It doesn’t.
 

It seem the OP just wants to add his voice to this ridiculous and never ending argument.  He wants a single integrated OVF and EVF on the M10.    Yet another model.  More money, more things to malfunction. 
 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by lucerne

[pico]

57 minutes ago, lucerne said:

Pico . Is that a fact or a question.  ????  are you querying whether the M10 has an internal EVF.  Of course It doesn’t.

Good call, Lucerne. What is Live View if it is not EVF?

Edited September 26, 2019 by pico

[lucerne]

57 minutes ago, pico said:

Good call, Lucerne. What is Live View if it is not EVF?

It’s debatable.   On the 10, invoking live view compromises the speed of handling and many avoid using it.  Me included.  The OP is not giving the impression that he wants to shoot with live view.    But yes. If it makes you happy, it’s an electronic view of the scene on the rear screen but very inconvenient when shooting in bright light.

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by lucerne

[james.liam]

6 hours ago, jaapv said:

And a processor replacement? And an internal  memory upgrade?

You don’t think that having computational chips And memory in the EVF is possible?

Edited September 26, 2019 by james.liam

[jaapv]

Probably cheaper to buy a used SL.

[frame-it]

13 hours ago, a.noctilux said:

Yes, as it is now, the Visoflex 020 that I use since I have M10, can hardly be "improved" ( what to be improved ? ).

The heat rise on the M10 body can lead to trouble if the "improved Viso" which may drive more juice.

Sometimes, when I use the Viso 020 for relative long time, the M10's heat feeling in my hand lead me wonder why so much heat and battery sink.

 

If the improved model can use less energy, I'd buy one ... but in this case, the resolution or flickering may be the same as the present model,

or in this present model, separately use GPS or EVF ( maybe this can be done via firmware update ) to drain less battery and cause less heat.

A new  version of the 020 without GPS might help with saving battery power

Edited September 27, 2019 by frame-it

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[pico]

25 minutes ago, frame-it said:

A new  version of the 020 without GPS might help with saving battery power

Just turn it off and be happy.