Marckyokay Posted September 25, 2019 Share #1 Posted September 25, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hey folks! I’m currently traveling the US with my new/old M10. I got it used in great condition. I usually wear it across my body and have one hand at the lens, to walk safely with it and secure it. I noticed a slight jiggle and thought it’s the lens parts of my Voigtländer. But with my Voigtländer and Zeiss both lenses sit ever so slightly loose in the bayonet. It’s really only a millimeter and you wouldn’t notice if you weren’t OCD like me. But the lenses really can be jiggled ever so slightly. They don’t sit 100% tight. Just let’s say 90%-95%. Is that okay with Ms? I’m only used to canon 5D and Fuji xpro, never noticed it there but it might very well have been, I just had a different brain handling a 1k compared to a 6k camera. I’m new to Leica M and loving it so far (beside a misaligned viewfinder that costs 250$ to repair in LA so I have to wait until I get back to Wetzlar in two weeks where they do it for free ) so please be gentle Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matlock Posted September 25, 2019 Share #2 Posted September 25, 2019 This was raised on the M film forum a while back. There is usually a touch of movement between lens and body although I wouldn't go as far as calling it a "jiggle". Strangely my M10-D is rock steady whilst most of my film bodies have a VERY slight movement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 25, 2019 Share #3 Posted September 25, 2019 It depends on the lens. With some lenses there I’d tightness and with others there is not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 25, 2019 Share #4 Posted September 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Marckyokay said: Hey folks! I’m currently traveling the US with my new/old M10. I got it used in great condition. I usually wear it across my body and have one hand at the lens, to walk safely with it and secure it. I noticed a slight jiggle and thought it’s the lens parts of my Voigtländer. But with my Voigtländer and Zeiss both lenses sit ever so slightly loose in the bayonet. It’s really only a millimeter and you wouldn’t notice if you weren’t OCD like me. But the lenses really can be jiggled ever so slightly. They don’t sit 100% tight. Just let’s say 90%-95%. Is that okay with Ms? I’m only used to canon 5D and Fuji xpro, never noticed it there but it might very well have been, I just had a different brain handling a 1k compared to a 6k camera. I’m new to Leica M and loving it so far (beside a misaligned viewfinder that costs 250$ to repair in LA so I have to wait until I get back to Wetzlar in two weeks where they do it for free ) so please be gentle 250$ to align a viewfinder? That is ridiculous 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujk Posted September 25, 2019 Share #5 Posted September 25, 2019 You didn't mention in what direction the lens moves, but I don't think there should be any noticeable movement at all in the direction of the lens axis or sideways. And the lens should only rotate very slightly in the mount once properly locked. Sometimes it's possible to rotate the lens past the locking position by keeping the locking button depressed while mounting the lens, but it should lock again by turning it back a little. In any case, any bigger lens movement will affect focusing accuracy and may also cause other problems, like bringing up the wrong frame lines or incorrectly reading the lens code of a coded lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marckyokay Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted September 25, 2019 7 hours ago, jaapv said: 250$ to align a viewfinder? That is ridiculous Yup. Seems like that’s LA ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marckyokay Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted September 25, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, mujk said: And the lens should only rotate very slightly in the mount once properly locked. That’s what I mean. That sounds like what I experience. Once locked, there is a slight rotational movement possible. Ever so small. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted September 25, 2019 Share #8 Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Marckyokay said: That’s what I mean. That sounds like what I experience. Once locked, there is a slight rotational movement possible. Ever so small. It’s normal on some lenses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephan54 Posted September 26, 2019 Share #9 Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) On 9/25/2019 at 3:23 AM, Marckyokay said: Hey folks! I’m currently traveling the US with my new/old M10. I got it used in great condition. I usually wear it across my body and have one hand at the lens, to walk safely with it and secure it. I noticed a slight jiggle and thought it’s the lens parts of my Voigtländer. But with my Voigtländer and Zeiss both lenses sit ever so slightly loose in the bayonet. It’s really only a millimeter and you wouldn’t notice if you weren’t OCD like me. But the lenses really can be jiggled ever so slightly. They don’t sit 100% tight. Just let’s say 90%-95%. Is that okay with Ms? I’m only used to canon 5D and Fuji xpro, never noticed it there but it might very well have been, I just had a different brain handling a 1k compared to a 6k camera. I’m new to Leica M and loving it so far (beside a misaligned viewfinder that costs 250$ to repair in LA so I have to wait until I get back to Wetzlar in two weeks where they do it for free ) so please be gentle Quote I usually wear it across my body and have one hand at the lens, to walk safely with it and secure it. Just a word of caution. I wear my camera that way and it feels secure. But in case you trip and fall, the camera will start flying and hitting the ground pretty fast as you use your hands to break your fall. Had this happen twice in a relatively short period. Wetzlar did a fine but expensive repair job. Bought myself a small pouch to wear on my belt to avoid the swing. Edited September 26, 2019 by stephan54 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelevitt Posted October 5, 2019 Share #10 Posted October 5, 2019 On 9/25/2019 at 8:35 AM, jaapv said: 250$ to align a viewfinder? That is ridiculous Who repairs Leica in LA? Is there a repair person or service facility? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 6, 2019 Share #11 Posted October 6, 2019 1 hour ago, mikelevitt said: Who repairs Leica in LA? Is there a repair person or service facility? The guy has gotta live under a bridge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted October 10, 2019 Share #12 Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) On 9/25/2019 at 3:13 PM, Marckyokay said: That’s what I mean. That sounds like what I experience. Once locked, there is a slight rotational movement possible. Ever so small. All of my lenses lock very firmly on my M10 with no movement whatsoever. Maybe I got an unusual copy. It seems to me if there's movement, there's the possibility of light leaking in--particularly if one does long exposure photography. I had serious issues with that on my first M Monochrom. Edited October 10, 2019 by fotografr Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 10, 2019 Share #13 Posted October 10, 2019 3 hours ago, fotografr said: I had serious issues with that on my first M Monochrom. All M camera's leak around the coding sensor with long exposures in normal daylight. It's a design flaw, not a mechanical failure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock Posted October 10, 2019 Share #14 Posted October 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, 250swb said: All M camera's leak around the coding sensor with long exposures in normal daylight. It's a design flaw, not a mechanical failure. The light leak with M mount during long exposures is very well known and pre dates the 6 bit coding by a very long time. It is a common practice to wrap something around the mount when taking photos on a tripod with long exposures. As to the slight movement of the lens, the M10 is probably the tightest fit of all M cameras but the movement should be only just detectable unless there is a fault with the camera/lens mount. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 10, 2019 Share #15 Posted October 10, 2019 In my experience it was only apparent from the coded cameras onwards because of the very distinctive pattern of flare similar in each case and camera to camera originating from the position of the coding sensor. There was much discussion about it at the time the M9 was introduced and I had it on the M9, M240, MM, M246, and now M10. It is the origin of the advice to 'carry a scrunchy' to snap around the base of the lens and this stops the leak every time. Having made long exposures with M film cameras they have never leaked around the mount from any direction, but you can never rule it out by saying it's a universal truth, somebody will have managed it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mujk Posted October 11, 2019 Share #16 Posted October 11, 2019 Yes, the light leak is a known issue, but I don't know if a very slight rotation will make it worse or not. However, at least in theory any rotation should affect the precision of the rangefinder (can will rotate with the lens). But it may be too small to detect. All my Ms and lenses lock very firmly, so I cannot experiment with this. But of you fail to lock the lens properlg many things may be wrong, including lens detection and frameline selection. Has happened to me a few times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikelevitt Posted October 20, 2019 Share #17 Posted October 20, 2019 On 10/5/2019 at 8:37 PM, pico said: The guy has gotta live under a bridge. Thanks for the helpful and thoughtful answer. Guess you must not know either.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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