MP vs M-A

[lekitr]

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3 hours ago, Jon Warwick said:

Does anyone know when the issue of rangefinder patch “flare” started? I have one of the earliest M7s and the flare does crop up. Did the M4-P (or M6s for that matter) have any “flare” too?

With the M4-2 when the stop using a condenser in the design.  That said my two hands are more than enough to count the occurrence of the infamous patch flare i noticed and was worth mentioning in more than 30 years.  I also had 2 M4 and now M-A.  I like the M4-P finder more than the M4.  The M-A is the best, one day i'l have the 28, 75 and 135 lines hidden on my M-A

[romualdo]

2 hours ago, ktmrider2 said:

If you. are. buying a used M4-2, M4-P, M6, M6TTL or M7 you may or may not have a problem because their previous owners may have had the viewfinder upgraded.

The flare issue was very obvious with my M6 & not only outdoors, occurring frequently indoors (with lighting) - the difference (improvement) was dramatic when I obtained an MP

[105012]

Some more commentary of the Leica M flare question:

http://www.nemeng.com/leica/020b.shtml

"In April 2003 Erwin Puts created a RF Flare page on his www-site where he concludes that of all the M cameras only the Leica M3 is truly flare-free owing to its more linear RF design."

[nicci78]

Flare is real. But it has a cure : upgrade the viewfinder. 
It is costly. Just keep the upgrade invoice. You’ll be able to pass the cost to the future owner if you decide to sell it later. 

[romualdo]

4 hours ago, 105012 said:

Some more commentary of the Leica M flare question:

http://www.nemeng.com/leica/020b.shtml

excellent/comprehensive article

[EricV]

13 hours ago, Jon Warwick said:

Does anyone know when the issue of rangefinder patch “flare” started? I have one of the earliest M7s and the flare does crop up. Did the M4-P (or M6s for that matter) have any “flare” too?

M7 with numbers over 285XXXX have le MP view finder without flare.

[CosmoM3]

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On 7/5/2022 at 3:05 PM, nicci78 said:

Leica makes used Ms great again. Huge price bump : 

M-A is now 4,950€ VAT inc. 

MP 5,050€ VAT inc. in most European countries with 20% VAT 

For a mere 2% of difference or 100€  I am not sure why we should choose an M-A over the MP. Especially since the MP got a new gorgeous leather. 

the MP's "new" leather is the same leather that the M-A had since inception in 2014, but I agree that if you're lightmeter agnostic, the MP is a good pickup (coming from an M-A owner here).

Edited July 7, 2022 by CosmoM3