Chaemono Posted August 28, 2019 Share #241 Posted August 28, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Cutie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 28, 2019 Posted August 28, 2019 Hi Chaemono, Take a look here rumors SL2 with 36MP sensor only. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jankap Posted August 28, 2019 Share #242 Posted August 28, 2019 Back to the sensors. Will the sensors become thinner? To get thinner cameras! Is it possible to take larger sensors than 24x36mm? So the advantage of the viewfinder with its imaging of (somewhat of the) the environment is equalled. Canon uses dual pixel sensors and - as I think - will develop quadruple pixels. An example for the SLx? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted August 28, 2019 Share #243 Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Leaked pictures of SL 2 - they've increased the industrial theme and those grips are awesome. The sensor is 26mp. I've pre-ordered : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 28, 2019 by colonel 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300621-rumors-sl2-with-36mp-sensor-only/?do=findComment&comment=3808118'>More sharing options...
mmradman Posted August 28, 2019 Share #244 Posted August 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, colonel said: Leaked pictures of SL 2 - they've increased the industrial theme and those grips are awesome. The sensor is 26mp. I've pre-ordered : Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! That is S1 predating M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted August 28, 2019 Share #245 Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mmradman said: That is S1 predating M8. Actually Leica have revised the design as its very applicable to todays demand for extra grip This is a lens for the new roadmap, leaked design. Its an APO back mirror selfie lens - revolutionary: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited August 28, 2019 by colonel 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/300621-rumors-sl2-with-36mp-sensor-only/?do=findComment&comment=3808124'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted August 28, 2019 Share #246 Posted August 28, 2019 The 36 MPx IMX435 sensor looks insane. It has 6 native sensitivities. https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-more-specs-from-the-five-new-sony-full-frame-sensors/ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted August 28, 2019 Share #247 Posted August 28, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, in support of Thighslappper's S3 theory, L-R just posted a rumor about the upcoming M10 Mono having a 41-42MP sensor. Grain of salt of course, but the numbers do line up with my calculation of an FF version of the S3's 64MPx sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 28, 2019 Share #248 Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tailwagger said: Well, in support of Thighslappper's S3 theory, L-R just posted a rumor about the upcoming M10 Mono having a 41-42MP sensor. Grain of salt of course, but the numbers do line up with my calculation of an FF version of the S3's 64MPx sensor. From an economic perspective it would seem likely that Leica introduces a mono-M10 before an M10-like with greater MP, and then third comes the M ergonomics body with only EVF. Ain't evolution wonderful? You read it here first. 😎 Edited August 28, 2019 by pico 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted August 28, 2019 Share #249 Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, pico said: ...... the M ergonomics body with only EVF ...... Ain’t never going to happen 🍸 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted August 28, 2019 Share #250 Posted August 28, 2019 42 minutes ago, colonel said: Ain’t never going to happen 🍸 Been rumored for a while and I believe you will be on the wrong side of history here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 28, 2019 Share #251 Posted August 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, dkmoore said: Been rumored for a while and I believe you will be on the wrong side of history here. Indeed the question is not if but when Leica will make an M with built-in EVF. People will begin to understand when they see how rangefinders work on hi rez sensors. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Albertson Posted August 28, 2019 Share #252 Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Tailwagger said: Well, in support of Thighslappper's S3 theory, L-R just posted a rumor about the upcoming M10 Mono having a 41-42MP sensor. Grain of salt of course, but the numbers do line up with my calculation of an FF version of the S3's 64MPx sensor. Lacking a Bayer filter, the apparent resolution would be even greater. And to put the kibosh on the inevitable rumors, I am not the celebrity associated with the "celebrity edition." 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted August 29, 2019 Share #253 Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, dkmoore said: Been rumored for a while and I believe you will be on the wrong side of history here. It’s rumored every item there is a M upgrade and never occurs An M without a rangefinder is a mirror less camera without AF An unsaleable dead duck which dispenses with all the USP of the M but lets see, I am very bad on predictions and always underestimate the potential of a good company to kill a good thing Edited August 29, 2019 by colonel 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share #254 Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) I start to really like @thighslapper's idea : SL2 and future M11 or M Monochrom will have a scaled down version of Leica S3 64MP Proformat 30x45 sensor. I do really think that he is right. Way more logical in a technological and economical way, than buying 36MP Sony sensor. Leica has done it before. Because nobody would have made a CMOS 30x45 sensor at a reasonable price for the Leica S typ 007 alone. So they got the idea to share the waffle with Leica Max sensor 24x36 24MP for the M typ 240. Same pixel pitch and underlying tech, make a similar process possible. The center (best part) of the waffle will be used for Proformat 30x45 CMOS 37.5MP sensor. Around this part, there will be smaller Max 24x36 CMOS 24MP sensor. Fujifilm and Sony are using the same idea to produce cheaper 100MP 33x44 BSI CMOS sensor. By sharing the same pixel pitch and underlying sensor tech with small medium format, full frame and APS-C sensor. The center part of the waffle is used for 100MP 33x44 sensor (Fujifilm GFX100). Around it will be used for 24x36 60MP (Sony A7R IV) The outer third will be for APS-C 26MP (Fujifilm XT-3) Just like in the past Leica will need a way to produce in economical way a Proformat 64MP 30x45 sensor. Which will give us a 41MP 24x36 by sharing same pixel pitch and underlying technologies. Waffle sharing is the only way. My reseller did not say what pixel count SL2 will be. Just that it is lower than Q2 47MP but higher than SL 24MP. May be the sensors build for S3 and SL2 are getting late for whatever reason. That can explained the huge delayed release of both cameras. I quite like this idea of having an SL2 with 41MP sensor. If it proves faster than the 47MP one. You still get 18MP in APS-C crop mode. Not far away from 20MP APS-C crop mode of Lumix S1R NB : about future M Monochrom. May be a black and white bayerless M10 with same 24MP count, have no advantage over M Monochrom typ 246. Better skip it and use new 41MP sensor ? Edited August 29, 2019 by nicci78 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted August 29, 2019 Share #255 Posted August 29, 2019 A dead duck? No, perhaps a lame duck. But what is a camera, that only has opportunities for 28mm, 35mm, 50mm and 90mm: a dying duck! The viewfinder for 135mm is too small to be a "Messsucher". OK, the viewfinder of the M3 was for 135mm ok. So an M with a EVF from 10mm to 500mm (without extender) could find customers. With a wider sensor (this thread!) - bigger than 24x36mm - it could overtake the classicM viewfinder. If the mount also would have a second gear to be able to focus closer ....... No AF, IBIS would make thermal trouble, what else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share #256 Posted August 29, 2019 I really hope that SL2 will be scaled down version of S3 : same build quality : magnesium body with magnesium top plate and aluminium bottom plate and stainless steel mount and controls. same gorgeous design, but smaller and hopefully even cuter. And certainly thinner thanks to mirrorless tech. a scaled down 24x36 41MP sensor from the 30x45 64MP Proformat one. same UI. Nothing wrong with the current S and SL user interface. same SL battery. Like that we can share them with the Q2 one. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted August 29, 2019 Share #257 Posted August 29, 2019 4 hours ago, jankap said: A dead duck? No, perhaps a lame duck. But what is a camera, that only has opportunities for 28mm, 35mm, 50mm and 90mm: a dying duck! based on what statistics or report ? The M continues to be a steady to great seller for Leica Its limitations are considered advantages by its adherents. Witness the shelf life of the M-D versions .... I am sure if people stopped buying them Leica would stop selling them, but close to zero chance of that in the next 50 years 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jk1002 Posted August 29, 2019 Share #258 Posted August 29, 2019 There are plenty of very capable pro bodies out right now. What we for sure will get, after a lengthy backlog of pre orders is a very decent body with a simple UI. Nobody else does that. Either you value that or you don’t 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 29, 2019 Share #259 Posted August 29, 2019 Expensive UI ... Leica will do better to compete hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted August 29, 2019 Share #260 Posted August 29, 2019 13 hours ago, nicci78 said: Just like in the past Leica will need a way to produce in economical way a Proformat 64MP 30x45 sensor. Which will give us a 41MP 24x36 by sharing same pixel pitch and underlying technologies. Waffle sharing is the only way. Actually, the rumoured M10 Monochrome is said to have 41/42 mp sensor... https://leicarumors.com/2019/08/28/the-upcoming-leica-m10m-monochrom-camera-is-rumored-to-have-a-new-41-42mp-sensor.aspx/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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