Guest Posted July 8, 2019 Share #1 Posted July 8, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) From my m type 262. I always used kodachrome until i bravely went digital in 2014 and got a olympus pen ep-5. Making my own decision to run with jpegs and maybe apply mild edits,ie cropping,brightness and saturation to them i was happy until i was suddenly able to finally buy a leica! I got a new m type 262 just in time[not many new around now] and was anxious about how good the jpegs would be out of camera. Thing is i have to say they are so very beautiful and easily surpass olympus jpegs for their natural colours and tones. Its such a joy using my rangefinder and seeing my results. No disrespect to olympus who have gave me many memorable images these last 5 years but i cant go anywhere now without my m262.and despite reports to the contrary produce wonderful jpegs. Good luck to all raw shooters ,its just not for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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a.noctilux Posted July 8, 2019 Share #2 Posted July 8, 2019 Steve, Congratulation for your new M (typ 262). I use one since 2016 at it's first launch with pleasure. Some more ... As Kodachrome exclusive user since long, I wanted the same finished output from my digital M (M8 by then 2007 , twelve years ago incredible ). But not as you who are happy with your jpeg from M262, I was very upset then with the M8 jpeg (Leica had done good job since then with firmware updates). As some told me that it was like I threw away "negatives" with my only jpeg use from M8, then I began to use "DNG + jpeg fine" to have those jpeg again, for less post processing which bothered me. I began to PP with some "software lessons", and began to see the big improvments (on direct jpeg from M8) when doing it right from DNG files. Then with pride, I use only DNG now (for about ten years) and sometimes rare jpeg for fun (or as b&w to see what it looks in b&w). Talking about b&w, with DNG + jpeg, I can obtain b&w jpeg for reference and color DNG to PP (eventually in b&w with rough guide from b&w M's jpeg). Anyway, have fun with your new M 262. Arnaud Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted July 8, 2019 Share #3 Posted July 8, 2019 M10P was tempting me for some while now (sold my earlier M10 in favour of the simpler 262) but now I will stick with the M262. It even shows you which way round to insert the SD card! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 8, 2019 Share #4 Posted July 8, 2019 47 minutes ago, microview said: M10P was tempting me for some while now (sold my earlier M10 in favour of the simpler 262) but now I will stick with the M262. It even shows you which way round to insert the SD card! 😉 Leitz/Leica tradition since Barnack Leica, at base, always show the "right way" to insert film or SD card 😎 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299053-beautiful-jpegs/?do=findComment&comment=3773832'>More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted July 8, 2019 Share #5 Posted July 8, 2019 The Leica dealer in Chicago told me he uses JPEG. I did a a church directory project and was not about to convert thousands of images. A custom white bal was made with my studio lights and exposure set. All effort was made to get things right out of camera. For personal work, I only use raw + photoshop and now capture 1. Almost any image can be improved with some manipulation and JPEG allows only limited. Most annoying is any gradient shows banding because of JPEEG!s 8 bit. Maybe things are different now, but I just have not bothered to try. PLUG for Capture 1. It set by default to do auto levels + some other things with great results. One click and save and your photos improve with no work. It can be a start for more work if you wish. Since I have a darkroom for sixty years now, manipulation is what I expect to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 9, 2019 Share #6 Posted July 9, 2019 I am always slightly puzzled about the angst of using DNG. The workflow for both formats in LR is identical, with better results from the DNG. The only time I can think of when a jpg has an advantage is when using a photo out of camera directly. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 9, 2019 Share #7 Posted July 9, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, jaapv said: I am always slightly puzzled about the angst of using DNG. The workflow for both formats in LR is identical, with better results from the DNG. The only time I can think of when a jpg has an advantage is when using a photo out of camera directly. Who has the angst? Maybe somebody on a different thread? i didnt spot anything on this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhluxton Posted July 12, 2019 Share #8 Posted July 12, 2019 I bought my M262 and was really disappointed by the quality of the JPG files. I posted on here the thread is still there at Following the suggestions from forum members I switched to DNG and started using the bundled Lightroom which I have since upgraded to the Adobe subscription version which also gets one full Photoshop. I really enjoy Lightroom and feel as though I now get twice as much fun out of my photography now adjusting the images before outputting as JPG files for use on line. Only problem is if I have been taking lots of images it takes me a while to process them all. I now use DNG with my X1 and X-Vario and the RAW option with my V-Lux 3. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 12, 2019 Share #9 Posted July 12, 2019 I shot kodachrome 64 from 1981-2014 on my minolta x-700 making sure my exposure was correct as often as i could. Shooting with the m262 and jpegs is the closest i can get to carrying on as before but having good quality digital images. Which is how i want and like to shoot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 12, 2019 Share #10 Posted July 12, 2019 Steve, as you like. I don't mean to convince you, just to show you why I don't use jpeg generated camera anymore. For a short while, I used the M8 with DNG + jpeg to convince me that I might record only DNG. Here are two examples for fun, from M8 files, no PP only reduced for LUF... Sunset Madrid airport, DNG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Second file below ...which is far from the color I saw. Recorded in camera jpeg, no PP, reduced to 1000 pixels Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Second file below ...which is far from the color I saw. Recorded in camera jpeg, no PP, reduced to 1000 pixels ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299053-beautiful-jpegs/?do=findComment&comment=3777090'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 12, 2019 Share #11 Posted July 12, 2019 Second example, M8 plus Noctilux 1.0/50 have a look at those blops in first DNG to compare to jpeg generated from M8 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! then jpeg below Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! then jpeg below ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/299053-beautiful-jpegs/?do=findComment&comment=3777093'>More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 13, 2019 Share #12 Posted July 13, 2019 What i was actually saying without any ambiguity in my original post was that i actually like the jpegs produced by my camera and how happy i was with that situation. I know that my 11 year old grand daughter has better pics on her smartphone than some of my pics and also some of the pics on this forum taken with various leica cameras and lenses but thats fine is it not? Reading back through the forum belatedly i now realise its not really cool in leica land to mention the "jpeg" word but you live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhluxton Posted July 14, 2019 Share #13 Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 1:25 AM, steve 1959 said: What i was actually saying without any ambiguity in my original post was that i actually like the jpegs produced by my camera and how happy i was with that situation. I know that my 11 year old grand daughter has better pics on her smartphone than some of my pics and also some of the pics on this forum taken with various leica cameras and lenses but thats fine is it not? Reading back through the forum belatedly i now realise its not really cool in leica land to mention the "jpeg" word but you live and learn. I am just surprised you found the JPG images from your M262 to be good as find mine to be significantly inferior to that produced by my X1, X-Vario or V-Lux3! Perhaps after all I have a rogue M262 camera? Anyway I am looking at buying the new ME240 as a second body and it will be interesting to see what results that produces in terms of JPG. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopaco Posted July 14, 2019 Share #14 Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 10:19 PM, a.noctilux said: Steve, as you like. I don't mean to convince you, just to show you why I don't use jpeg generated camera anymore. For a short while, I used the M8 with DNG + jpeg to convince me that I might record only DNG. Here are two examples for fun, from M8 files, no PP only reduced for LUF... Sunset Madrid airport, DNG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Second file below ...which is far from the color I saw. Recorded in camera jpeg, no PP, reduced to 1000 pixels In this example, the JPG and the DNG and from my monitor did not observe significant differences; Also, I think that the JPG generates more details in the dark areas, except in the clouds and the color of the sky that is better the DNG. Although with small adjusters of PS can be improved. The biggest difference I have observed in favor of the DNG is that, sometimes, in the JPG, the illuminated areas appear burned and are unrecoverable, while in the DNG they do not appear and if they appear, they are easier to recover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted July 14, 2019 Share #15 Posted July 14, 2019 Dynamic range detail in JPEG files is reduced compared to raw. Not all images need the extra range. If you expose correctly and have no other need edit the image you don't need the extra range. I screw up often enough that adjusting an image in post is a standard part of my workflow. For that reason I shoot raw. https://www.slrlounge.com/workshop/dynamic-range-and-raw-vs-jpeg/ does a nice job, IMHO, of comparing raw vs jpeg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2019 Share #16 Posted July 15, 2019 10 hours ago, jhluxton said: I am just surprised you found the JPG images from your M262 to be good as find mine to be significantly inferior to that produced by my X1, X-Vario or V-Lux3! Perhaps after all I have a rogue M262 camera? Anyway I am looking at buying the new ME240 as a second body and it will be interesting to see what results that produces in terms of JPG. John Maybe we just like a different palette. Im pretty sure i read your thread about jpegs before i bought my m262 so i had my doubts especially as i have been using an olympus pen before and most reviews seem to like olympus jpegs. But i prefer the more subtle colours and beautiful skin tones of my leica jpegs over the punchy olympus version. Probably a landscape with difficult contrast etc is in theory better shot in raw format but the way im shooting is how i shot for years with kodachrome,trying to get the best exposure and allowing for the lighting conditions in front of me. The new M_E looks nice but the reason i went for the 262 is because i didnt want live view and video which still applies . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2019 Share #17 Posted July 15, 2019 6 hours ago, marchyman said: Dynamic range detail in JPEG files is reduced compared to raw. Not all images need the extra range. If you expose correctly and have no other need edit the image you don't need the extra range. I screw up often enough that adjusting an image in post is a standard part of my workflow. For that reason I shoot raw. https://www.slrlounge.com/workshop/dynamic-range-and-raw-vs-jpeg/ does a nice job, IMHO, of comparing raw vs jpeg. I cant do links but i find Raw v jpeg by chris bray and The real truth about jpeg images by michael furtman much fairer and more informative and balanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted July 15, 2019 Share #18 Posted July 15, 2019 Thanks for the recommended pages. I'll give them a read. https://chrisbrayphotography.com/tips/raw_vs_jpg.php https://www.michaelfurtman.com/jpeg_myths.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kivis Posted July 20, 2019 Share #19 Posted July 20, 2019 I shoot Jpeg on my M262 without any apologies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 22, 2019 Share #20 Posted July 22, 2019 Nothing wrong with jpeg if it works well, I did that before, but I've found DNG better now to work on. JPEG from camera can be very nice, as long as we know what it can deliver and as lazy as I am to post-process. here long time ago with M8 jpeg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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