Chaemono Posted June 19, 2019 Share #81 Posted June 19, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think computer algorithms can create really nice landscape photos, without a camera involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paul.bridges.3388 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #82 Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Chaemono said: I think computer algorithms can create really nice landscape photos, without a camera involved. Looking forward to the special release algorithms (“Are You Gonna Process My Way” Lenny Kravitz Ltd Edition). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Andersson Posted June 19, 2019 Share #83 Posted June 19, 2019 3 hours ago, bags27 said: The new Hassy X1D II is going to be a formidable competitor. I'll make few friends by saying so here but I've just ordered it together with the XCD 21mm and the XCD 35-75mm to follow later in the year. The X1D II is arguably the camera the original X1D always should have been and while the SL runs rings around it for many uses the X1D II hits the sweet spot for me as the perfect complement to my existing gear. I really hope and expect that Leica will nail the SL2 when it's eventually released and I'll continue to follow with interest although I'll go back to sleeper mode here I think. Best wishes. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted June 19, 2019 Share #84 Posted June 19, 2019 35 minutes ago, Bob Andersson said: I'll make few friends by saying so here but I've just ordered it together with the XCD 21mm and the XCD 35-75mm to follow later in the year. The X1D II is arguably the camera the original X1D always should have been and while the SL runs rings around it for many uses the X1D II hits the sweet spot for me as the perfect complement to my existing gear. I really hope and expect that Leica will nail the SL2 when it's eventually released and I'll continue to follow with interest although I'll go back to sleeper mode here I think. Best wishes. I'll admit I'm tempted, particularly since there's no facts around the SL2. That said, while there are oodles of attractive things about the 'blad, I'm distressed that it appears that focus point selection is still a touch screen affair rather than a joy stick. The ability to change focus points with my eye glued to the finder is requisite. Never having handled one, perhaps it is not as bad as I imagine, but it remains pretty much a deal breaker for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 19, 2019 Share #85 Posted June 19, 2019 The competitive landscape doesn’t seem to allow for a higher price of the X1D II than $5,750. The X1D was released at $8,995. For this Hasselblad has to go with the same sensor, fine, and with the same slow AF, no way. The upgrade is a better LCD, Viewfinder, and a modest speed boost from “2” frames per second to 2.7. Those of us who’ve used the X1D and honest reviews of the camera put the speed at more like 0.5 fps. Assuming the percentage increase is correct, this would mean 0.7 fps for the X1D II. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 19, 2019 Share #86 Posted June 19, 2019 And here the 0.5 frames per second X1D review. “Hasselblad rates the X1D to shoot between 1.7 and 2.3 frames per second, but I'm not sure where they are getting that. [😂]. It's really not telling of how the camera really functions, at least in my experience. In reality, you can expect to take one photo every two to four seconds [🤣], depending on if you are shooting RAW only, or RAW+JPEG. Shooting both RAW and JPEG slows the camera a bit, but it's not a huge difference from shooting RAW only.“ https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/hasselblad-x1d/hasselblad-x1dA.HTM 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted June 19, 2019 Share #87 Posted June 19, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, bags27 said: The new Hassy X1D II is going to be a formidable competitor. you are so right, I am in fact considering getting a second X1D and selling the SL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted June 19, 2019 Share #88 Posted June 19, 2019 Anyone been able to figure out if this is the same sensor as the X1D or a newer version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted June 19, 2019 Share #89 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) If the SL2 will have the same sensor as the S1R and the same high res capabilities, then the X1D/X2D has nothing additional to offer. So It would be crazy to buy two expensive camera sets instead of a single one with similar capabilities. Of course it depends on how the SL2 will be in detail. But in the meantime the S1R offers so many great features for studio or landscape, that a Hassy is completely out of the question for me (I have no budget to waste). By the way, this thread is about SL2 and I suggest that for Hassy discussions and confessions a separate thread is created. Edited June 19, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted June 19, 2019 Share #90 Posted June 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Tailwagger said: Anyone been able to figure out if this is the same sensor as the X1D or a newer version. I heard same sensor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted June 19, 2019 Share #91 Posted June 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, caissa said: If the SL2 will have the same sensor as the S1R and the same high res capabilities, then the X1D/X2D has nothing additional to offer. So It would be crazy to buy two expensive camera sets instead of a single one with similar capabilities. Of course it depends on how the SL2 will be in detail. But in the meantime the S1R offers so many great features for studio or landscape, that a Hassy is completely out of the question for me (I have no budget to waste). By the way, this thread is about SL2 and I suggest that for Hassy discussions and confessions a separate thread is created. if the SL2 has the same sensor as the S1R I am not sure how Leica will be able to justify charging twice as much for it. Will be interesting to see if it does and if so at which price point 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted June 19, 2019 Share #92 Posted June 19, 2019 Leica has never tried to justify the price. Not even an attempt. I also do not expect it. If they are too expensive, I can now use a Panasonic instead (or Sigma if they finally start delivering lenses). So very easy to find a way around it. (Just the same old boring discussion, not really exciting. Going on since 30 years. Probably even longer, but then I was not involved, yet). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted June 19, 2019 Share #93 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, caissa said: If the SL2 will have the same sensor as the S1R and the same high res capabilities, then the X1D/X2D has nothing additional to offer. So It would be crazy to buy two expensive camera sets instead of a single one with similar capabilities. Of course it depends on how the SL2 will be in detail. But in the meantime the S1R offers so many great features for studio or landscape, that a Hassy is completely out of the question for me (I have no budget to waste). By the way, this thread is about SL2 and I suggest that for Hassy discussions and confessions a separate thread is created. If that's the case then the HB will offer a small but noticeable increase in sensor IQ (sensor is the same), vastly better long exposure implementation and in the field tethering in a smaller and lighter body. The addition of the zoom makes it a compact and viable choice for travel photography and landscapes of the highest quality. The SL2 (if it's similar to the S1R) offers more flexibility and speed because it has more zooms available. Possibly IBIS. Vastly better video, if you need that and the availability of longer and faster lenses. Given the choice I take the HB over the SL/S1R when I can and the S1R when the HB isn't suitable. Gordon Edited June 19, 2019 by FlashGordonPhotography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted June 19, 2019 Share #94 Posted June 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Chaemono said: The competitive landscape doesn’t seem to allow for a higher price of the X1D II than $5,750. The X1D was released at $8,995. For this Hasselblad has to go with the same sensor, fine, and with the same slow AF, no way. The upgrade is a better LCD, Viewfinder, and a modest speed boost from “2” frames per second to 2.7. Those of us who’ve used the X1D and honest reviews of the camera put the speed at more like 0.5 fps. Assuming the percentage increase is correct, this would mean 0.7 fps for the X1D II. I thought most people would be happy with an improvement in features and performance that also gets a price reduction. Apparently not.... The AF is good, by MF standards. The GFX-50R isn't usably faster. And while HB's claims on shooting speed are *interesting*, I'm not sure why it matters on a miniMF body. Are we shooting the grandkids with it? (that's apparently when one needs a D5 focus speeds). The X1D mk2 has had pricing pressure from Fuji. And to get back on topic, the SL does too, now. Not only from Panasonic but also Nikon (and Sony, if they make a better handling body). When the SL was released we had the A7 and the SL. The SL had huge tangible benefits in build quality, weather sealing, handling, EVF, touch screen, GPS etc. Now the landscape is vastly different. I still prefer the handling of the SL over my S1R but there's no denying that the S1R gets used more due to it's incredible feature set and increased performance. The S1/S1R are incredibly capable and there's a pro Nikon on the way..... Not that I'll be buying an SL2. They'll put mandatory LENR in it and I'll not be a buyer. Gordon 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedro Posted June 19, 2019 Share #95 Posted June 19, 2019 I will likely buy a second X1D body and decide on the SL, may keep it for the long zoom and the wide zoom plus one of the cron primes will see what the SL2 looks like, but if not great the pana will also be an option for what I do I don't need fast AF and I don't think that the SLs, even if better than the X1D, are speed monsters by any stretch of the imagination 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted June 19, 2019 Share #96 Posted June 19, 2019 Personally, I have a lot of other things I like to spend my money on. I don't take changing or adding systems lightly and tend to remain loyal (or miserly if you prefer) for at least 5 to 10 years once I adopt a system. As such, I lean toward buying in to the L-Alliance as a richer, more flexible path forward than the X1D, Canon, Sony or Nikon. It's not the body cost, its the 20K+ in glass with either of these systems that makes one pause. Despite a strong desire to augment my Ms, I'm under no real pressure to jump into either pool. Hopefully, by July there will be clarity around the next gen SL. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted June 19, 2019 Share #97 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) I can understand that if you have enough money, you can afford both systems. But I have still have not heard a single convincing argument, why this should be needed / why this should be reasonable. Simply switch to Hassy if you like to use it better. Or stay with L as I certainly will. If a user has been happy with L for the last three years, (which for a long time had a very limited range of lenses and features) why should he now suddenly have a need for a Hassy ? (Now that L is one of the systems with the richest choice ... the Panasonics actually solve most of the “problems” with the current SL.) To me it looks like the typical talk: See here My house, My wife, My boat, My children, My SUV, My MF camera, ... very very old fashioned and not suited for the future. (See also environmental foot print). Flash, I know you are part of a team. So yes, I can understand that in this case you can better afford to have several different systems at the same time. Edited June 19, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted June 19, 2019 Share #98 Posted June 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Fedro said: I will likely buy a second X1D body and decide on the SL, may keep it for the long zoom and the wide zoom plus one of the cron primes will see what the SL2 looks like, but if not great the pana will also be an option for what I do I don't need fast AF and I don't think that the SLs, even if better than the X1D, are speed monsters by any stretch of the imagination What nonsense you talk. Speedmonsters haha. The Hassy is VvEeRrYy slooooooooooooow. That is the reality. Simply no comparison. I find such a slow camera a nuisance for general fotografy and just as nerve-wrecking as using the SL for Tethering. But the Panasonic simply fills the gap at a very affordable price. The S1R looks quite ugly but is an excellent camera inside. The X1D is unfortunately simply the opposite. Let’s see if the new X1D is suddenly a good camera... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 20, 2019 Share #99 Posted June 20, 2019 Users have a need for better DR and the richer colors of MF in the size and with the speed of FF. That’s why people are anxious about the SL2 sensor. These ‘new’ (Sony’s is not so new), high MP FF sensors produce richer colors but they are “light sensitive” which isn’t synonymous with better DR, unfortunately. They don’t capture more shadow detail as there is very little light there to begin with. I’ve seen it with Sony, with the Nikon Z7, and with the FF LUMIX. Light sensitivity means they are prone to blowing Highlights more easily. The X1D sensor doesn’t, it has ‘MF’ DR. But the system comes with all the other crap (i.e. very sloooooow as in one picture every two seconds), including the octagonal bokeh balls of its lenses wide open. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted June 20, 2019 Share #100 Posted June 20, 2019 Currently I am actually a bit worried about the Leica announcement of lay-offs. We know already that Leica needs more software specialists. But not sure if they will get them. And so I am also not so sure if they will bring a SL2 in time. After all the SL was probably not so successful as the Q. And now the S1R will also take away customers (rather than adding many new customers). And as long as Sigma is so slow in bringing L lenses, there will be not so many new customers. (Sigma currently invests much more in e-mount, so many of the new customers are steered mainly in that direction, as if Sony is not strong enough, yet.) So even if the technology is there, the market is not ideal for a SL2. Sony will probably also soon refresh their alpha flagship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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