paul.bridges.3388 Posted May 31, 2019 Share #1 Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) What’s perceived wisdom on SL2 release? A Leica Store speculated on as early as June announcement, when I was in there yesterday. My gut says that’s just the old rumour from last year. Of course, getting to the front of the waitlist is an entire other thing! Paul Edited May 31, 2019 by paul.bridges.3388 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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trickness Posted May 31, 2019 Share #2 Posted May 31, 2019 I heard from a very good source that it will be announced in the fall - September at the earliest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted May 31, 2019 Share #3 Posted May 31, 2019 As I have pointed out elsewhere the current SL discount and trade-in deal runs till sometime in september. I doubt the SL2 will ship before then...... and current Leica policy seems to be a release announcement fairly close to the initial batch delivery date. So my money goes on a late summer product announcement and shipping october, at the earliest. I doubt if Leica is in any hurry as they are flat out catching up with the Q2 back-orders .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmarton1 Posted May 31, 2019 Share #4 Posted May 31, 2019 (edited) The prototype is already out and in use by various Leica pro staff. The release should be no later than by the end of the year. Andrew Edited May 31, 2019 by ajmarton1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted May 31, 2019 Share #5 Posted May 31, 2019 vor 2 Stunden schrieb ajmarton1: The prototype is already out and in use by various Leica pro staff. The release should be no later than by the end of the year. Andrew Do you happen to know the MPx of the sensor? 😁 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZN Posted May 31, 2019 Share #6 Posted May 31, 2019 7 hours ago, thighslapper said: I doubt the SL2 will ship before then I agree. In fact I cannot see it shipping anytime during 2019. One has to only look at the what happened with the SL-35-APO lens, which was announced at the beginning of March and here we are in June and is still unavailable. The original Leica SL 601 release date was 20 October 2015. I'll make a wild guess that Leica will announce the SL 2, with a few glowing web-reviews, around the same time this year. Then expect the camera to be in stores approximately 6-12 months later... 😃 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted June 1, 2019 Share #7 Posted June 1, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 11 hours ago, AZN said: I agree. In fact I cannot see it shipping anytime during 2019. One has to only look at the what happened with the SL-35-APO lens, which was announced at the beginning of March and here we are in June and is still unavailable. The original Leica SL 601 release date was 20 October 2015. I'll make a wild guess that Leica will announce the SL 2, with a few glowing web-reviews, around the same time this year. Then expect the camera to be in stores approximately 6-12 months later... 😃 SL was announced on 20 Oct 2015 and it was in my camera bag on 15 Dec 2015. Just pure facts ... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul.bridges.3388 Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted June 1, 2019 1 hour ago, meerec said: SL was announced on 20 Oct 2015 and it was in my camera bag on 15 Dec 2015. Just pure facts ... Yes, indeed. But there’s a difference between “in my bag” (as a flukey waitlisted punter) and “in the stores” (as in generally retailing). As the Q2 is currently demonstrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Andersson Posted June 1, 2019 Share #9 Posted June 1, 2019 With a new puppy in the house and far less sleep than I'd like maybe my judgement is off but here goes: Fact: Panasonic have pre-announced a camera (S1H) they can share little sensor information about. Guess: That's because it uses the same sensor that Sony will use in an upcoming camera launch (A7siii ?), maybe the rumoured IMX435? Wild guess: It's been posited before that the SL2 might use the Sony IMX435 but what has changed is that Panasonic's inability to share much information suggests that whatever sensor they are using in the S1H is still under a NDA. If Leica are using the IMX435 (or whichever sensor the S1H does use) in the upcoming SL2 then the reason there's been such a wait is explained by Panasonic's inability to share even the stills resolution of the S1H together with the well-mannered unwillingness of the good folks at Wetzlar to drip feed information about a future product. On the flip side if Panasonic are using the IMX435 in the S1H then why no 8k mode? Could be they aren't using it or maybe there are heat issues when running at full gas? Or maybe I just need to sleeep. 💤 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul.bridges.3388 Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Bob Andersson said: With a new puppy in the house and far less sleep than I'd like maybe my judgement is off but here goes: Fact: Panasonic have pre-announced a camera (S1H) they can share little sensor information about. Guess: That's because it uses the same sensor that Sony will use in an upcoming camera launch (A7siii ?), maybe the rumoured IMX435? Wild guess: It's been posited before that the SL2 might use the Sony IMX435 but what has changed is that Panasonic's inability to share much information suggests that whatever sensor they are using in the S1H is still under a NDA. If Leica are using the IMX435 (or whichever sensor the S1H does use) in the upcoming SL2 then the reason there's been such a wait is explained by Panasonic's inability to share even the stills resolution of the S1H together with the well-mannered unwillingness of the good folks at Wetzlar to drip feed information about a future product. On the flip side if Panasonic are using the IMX435 in the S1H then why no 8k mode? Could be they aren't using it or maybe there are heat issues when running at full gas? Or maybe I just need to sleeep. 💤 These low light Sony & Panasonic cameras are direct competitors in a fierce marketplace. So, the S1H breaking cover first with the IMX435 is a surprise (putting the Panasonic at competitive advantage). One way Sony might have countered that advantage (as sensor supplier, they dictate terms, I’d imagine...) would be to prevent Panasonic from implementing 8K on it at release. Thus, allowing Sony to maintain the competitive edge. Could that explain it? Similarly, perhaps we won’t see the SL2 until the Sony SIII is released. Again, dictated by Sony for competitive/marketing reasons. fun to speculate... enjoy your pup! Edited June 1, 2019 by paul.bridges.3388 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 1, 2019 Share #11 Posted June 1, 2019 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Bob Andersson: Wild guess: It's been posited before that the SL2 might use the Sony IMX435 It’s primarily a sensor for video cameras. See here: https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-more-specs-from-the-five-new-sony-full-frame-sensors/ “It’s not a still picture style sensor.” Whoever posited this before was just making sh!t up. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul.bridges.3388 Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted June 1, 2019 3 hours ago, paul.bridges.3388 said: These low light Sony & Panasonic cameras are direct competitors in a fierce marketplace. So, the S1H breaking cover first is a surprise (putting the Panasonic at competitive advantage). One way Sony might have countered that advantage (as sensor supplier, they dictate terms, I’d imagine...) would be to prevent Panasonic from implementing 8K on it at release. Thus, allowing Sony to maintain the competitive edge. Could that explain it? Similarly, perhaps we won’t see the SL2 until the Sony SIII is released. Again, dictated by Sony for competitive/marketing reasons. fun to speculate... enjoy your pup! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Andersson Posted June 1, 2019 Share #13 Posted June 1, 2019 27 minutes ago, Chaemono said: It’s primarily a sensor for video cameras. See here: https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-more-specs-from-the-five-new-sony-full-frame-sensors/ “It’s not a still picture style sensor.” You may be right although the leaked spec sheet isn't quite so definitive as you appear to be. With modern BSI sensors, where the signal conditioning electronics doesn't block photons in the way it does with non-BSI sensors, is there any reason why a BSI sensor can't excel at both video and stills? Given its derivation from the S1/S1R, rather than a dedicated video camera body, it would be shocking to me if the S1H didn't include a mechanical shutter. Given that it does 6k 3:2 we already know the minimum pixel count of the sensor the S1H contains - 21.6 MP if I've got my sums right - not for the SL2 methinks. 😀 If the S1H sensor is actually capable of 8k but that video mode is not implemented for whatever reason then all bets are off. Could a BSI sensor capable of 8k video also offer better per pixel noise and dynamic range than the current SL pixels? I don't know but I wouldn't bet against it. In closing all can I offer that this and my last post are idle speculation and intended as fun in a rumour thread - I certainly don't know that any of this is is relevant to something we can go out and buy later in the year! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 1, 2019 Share #14 Posted June 1, 2019 Given the fact that Panasonic have announced THREE FF mirrorless cameras within the last 8 months - each for different market sectors, why assume that Leica Camera AG will only announce ONE successor to the SL 601 … especially given Leica's history of modifying/rebadging existing Panasonic cameras. dunk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebben Posted June 1, 2019 Share #15 Posted June 1, 2019 It’s very likely that the sensor for the S1H is the IMX410CQK-C https://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products_en/IS/sensor2/img/products/IMX410CQK_Flyer.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 1, 2019 Share #16 Posted June 1, 2019 vor 43 Minuten schrieb dkCambridgeshire: Given the fact that Panasonic have announced THREE FF mirrorless cameras within the last 8 months - each for different market sectors, why assume that Leica Camera AG will only announce ONE successor to the SL 601 … especially given Leica's history of modifying/rebadging existing Panasonic cameras. dunk Particularly, why assume that the SL2 will use the sensor of the video version FF LUMIX. 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 1, 2019 Share #17 Posted June 1, 2019 11 hours ago, paul.bridges.3388 said: Yes, indeed. But there’s a difference between “in my bag” (as a flukey waitlisted punter) and “in the stores” (as in generally retailing). As the Q2 is currently demonstrating. The SL was fairly easily found shortly after announcement. I didn't pre-order, and I'm not a dealer's favoured customer. I waited till the first reviews from members here and took the plunge - and got it straight away. That was one of several unusual things about the SL. Others included the fact no one saw it coming - it took most people by surprise - and that since launch there have been no significant QC issues with the camera. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted June 2, 2019 Share #18 Posted June 2, 2019 SL: best camera I have ever owned and the SL summicrons are at an entirely different level of performance. I have zero reasons to trade in the SL, it's that good for my intended applications. Quote and that since launch there have been no significant QC issues with the camera. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmarton1 Posted June 2, 2019 Share #19 Posted June 2, 2019 On 5/31/2019 at 11:31 AM, Chaemono said: Do you happen to know the MPx of the sensor? 😁 Unfortunately, I couldn't get any more details other than the prototype is not going to change - only the firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted June 2, 2019 Share #20 Posted June 2, 2019 would be funny if its still 24MP, in the same styled body, with a new firmware and a new processor 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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