FlashGordonPhotography Posted April 17, 2019 Share #21 Posted April 17, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) The Z7 plays nicely with M lenses. Probably my choice as you also have IBIS. I'd have no issues using the S1R at an airshow right now. No real stress for CAF. But closer sports with more erratic movement are more difficult. That's where the A9 does well. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ron777 Posted April 17, 2019 Share #22 Posted April 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, Jenningsmca said: I have not seen any posts that say the Panasonic S1 or S1R is as good as the Leica SL using the adapted M lenses. I really like the SL using M lenses better than a M camera, but then again I wear glasses and am considered old, sort of. After reviewing multiple youtube / camera reviews of the Panasonic S1 / S1R it appears the Panasonic has a bit of work to perform to get the AF bugs worked out. As much as I like the camera and functionality, the AF must work. Its all about getting the shot. Rather than relying upon YouTube you might want to try the camera for yourself. I don’t photograph sports, but for all other scenarios the AF works well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenningsmca Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share #23 Posted April 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, ron777 said: Rather than relying upon YouTube you might want to try the camera for yourself. I don’t photograph sports, but for all other scenarios the AF works well. I told the wife I will take her shopping on Saturday if we could goto the city. Maybe stop by my favourite camera store as it would be sort of on the way and if I happen to take a memory card with me all the better. She's thinking about it. Yes your right, but there are no stores in my area who would have the luxury items. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenningsmca Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share #24 Posted April 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, ron777 said: Rather than relying upon YouTube you might want to try the camera for yourself. I don’t photograph sports, but for all other scenarios the AF works well. If you have a dog, try capturing the dog running towards you, full AFC and see how many keepers you get or better yet a young person kicking a ball around in the backyard. Thats equivalent to a sports shoot from home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiepphotog Posted April 17, 2019 Share #25 Posted April 17, 2019 On 4/14/2019 at 12:10 PM, Jenningsmca said: This weekend Sony has reduced the price of their flagship camera by $1300. Was thinking of picking one up to have for long lens, fast AF and low light performance for airshows and indoor shows. Leica does not want to share the specs of the SL and it probably won't have compatible HSS or tethering capability anyway. Anyone own a Sony a9 and a Leica SL to share their experiences ? MJ If you want the absolute best AF tracking system for good and low light in all situations, the A9 is it. It's not about if you can make do with such and such system. Heck, people shot airshows and indoor shows using manual focus lenses before. I have had my A9 for almost 2 years now, and I highly value a responsive AF system (camera + lens) now. What good of a sharp lens if you miss the intended shot? Horses for courses I say. And Sony has progressed a lot in the lens design department. I think their latest GM lenses (anything after the 400) has the best balance in term of size, weight and IQ. The GM 135 is the sharpest lens (not even just 135) ever tested by LensRental, which is way more reliable than any individual opinion here. Of course, sharpness is just part of the equation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenningsmca Posted April 17, 2019 Author Share #26 Posted April 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, hiepphotog said: If you want the absolute best AF tracking system for good and low light in all situations, the A9 is it. It's not about if you can make do with such and such system. Heck, people shot airshows and indoor shows using manual focus lenses before. I have had my A9 for almost 2 years now, and I highly value a responsive AF system (camera + lens) now. What good of a sharp lens if you miss the intended shot? Horses for courses I say. And Sony has progressed a lot in the lens design department. I think their latest GM lenses (anything after the 400) has the best balance in term of size, weight and IQ. The GM 135 is the sharpest lens (not even just 135) ever tested by LensRental, which is way more reliable than any individual opinion here. Of course, sharpness is just part of the equation. I was thinking of adding a RRS plate which should mitigate the pinky issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiepphotog Posted April 17, 2019 Share #27 Posted April 17, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, Jenningsmca said: I was thinking of adding a RRS plate which should mitigate the pinky issue. I do half of my shooting on tripod so I have a RRS L-plate permanently attached on the camera. No problem there for me with the pinky. I comfortably shot a whole day with the monstrous Sigma 105/1.4 (heavier than the Sony 100-400) without the battery grip. YMMV of course given a lot of people seem to have problem with the Sony ergo (I'm doing well with the Sony ergo). To me, if the M system is the manual focus specialist, then the Sony system (especially w/ the A9) is the AF specialist. At least, rent one and try it out yourself. If the camera feels uncomfortable to you. Most of these points will be moot I say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted April 17, 2019 Share #28 Posted April 17, 2019 (edited) The battery grip makes a big difference on th a9 and a7riii. Sounds like the a9 is what you’re looking for in terms of AF. I find my a7riii with battery grip better than without but it is still not as comfortable to hold as the SL or the even more comfortable S1R. Edited April 17, 2019 by ron777 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17, 2019 Share #29 Posted April 17, 2019 Please bear in mind that this is a Leica forum. The content must have some relationship to Leica.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted April 17, 2019 Share #30 Posted April 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Jenningsmca said: If you have a dog, try capturing the dog running towards you, full AFC and see how many keepers you get or better yet a young person kicking a ball around in the backyard. Thats equivalent to a sports shoot from home. I agree, neither the S1R/S nor SL will offer the level of AF you require . The Sony a9 just had a price reduction and it will fulfill your needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenningsmca Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share #31 Posted April 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, jaapv said: Please bear in mind that this is a Leica forum. The content must have some relationship to Leica.... Its all relevant as we are all Leica owners sharing information. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted April 18, 2019 Share #32 Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) perhaps you can go to a shop with a sdcard and try out the A9..and carry a few M lenses for fun to try out on the A9 with an adapter you already sem to know about the A9's AF with native sony lenses Edited April 18, 2019 by frame-it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted April 18, 2019 Share #33 Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) So I have to play the party pooper ... When the a9 was new it was already beaten by the A7rII in many comparisons. And then again by the a7riii . So I never liked the a9 and never found it convincing at the price compared to in-house rivals. And for me continuous AF is not so important - otherwise nobody could take good pictures with most cameras, which is obviously not the case. And the a9 has a very slow mechanical shutter, that you will need in light conditions where fully electronic shutter will not work. The AF in the S1 looks already convincing for me as it is today. And I am certain that Panasonic will go on improving it - they are well known for that. (Upgrades). While the a9 will probably soon be replaced by a new model (mark ii). They are actually also known for frequent model changes. So if anything then I would buy a S1R (with all possible symbioses) and certainly not switch to a completely new system. The speed and technology of AF is in rapid development, while the (bad) ergonomics last as long as the camera is being used. I also do not like the size of the alphas and I dislike their colors (some call it color science). They are (in my eyes) really ugly compared to Leica. So everyone has his own preferences. Regarding people on YouTube complaining about AF of Lumix S. Most of them made their tests with software 0.7 (prerelease). And another thing important to understand. The S cameras work differently in photo mode (AF very quick) and in video mode, (much slower) in order to avoid the ugly nervousness of a very quick AF target change. The videos that are shown always show the video AF (because this is shown on an external monitor), not the quicker “normal” AF used for photography. So better use the real thing with your real lens and do not rely on videos. As said several times before. The possibility to switch to another system was there for several years, and some obviously did it. But right now is really the silliest moment (for me) to actually do it. 🤓 Edited April 18, 2019 by caissa 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 18, 2019 Share #34 Posted April 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Jenningsmca said: Its all relevant as we are all Leica owners sharing information. Sorry, this has nothing to do with Leica. There are plenty of other forums that cater for Sony. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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