Jeff S Posted April 5, 2019 Share #21 Posted April 5, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I always keep personal insurance on my gear to cover everything the warranty does not, even my own stupidity. One way for the OP to get info on practical weather sealing evidence on most popular cameras (including the Q) is to call lensrentals and inquire about their experience. They rent and repair their gear every day and can report objectively on common breakdowns. Roger also has taken apart many cameras and lenses (recently including an SL 24-90) to inspect sealing, materials, construction quality, etc. Maybe he’ll do a Q2 teardown at some point... can’t hurt to ask. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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frame-it Posted April 5, 2019 Share #22 Posted April 5, 2019 25 minutes ago, Matsaly said: As the Q makes no mention of any weather sealing no doubt the Q2 is better sealed. In the land of the blind the man with one eye is king:) But your point is well taken Jeff. No camera is perfect and common sense should prevail. I guess I'm just fishing around for actual field reports of Q2 users who are shooting in inclement weather. My local dealer isn't going to allow me to pour a bottle of water on it in the store. could try this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted April 5, 2019 Share #23 Posted April 5, 2019 31 minutes ago, Matsaly said: As the Q makes no mention of any weather sealing no doubt the Q2 is better sealed. In the land of the blind the man with one eye is king:) But your point is well taken Jeff. No camera is perfect and common sense should prevail. I guess I'm just fishing around for actual field reports of Q2 users who are shooting in inclement weather. My local dealer isn't going to allow me to pour a bottle of water on it in the store. One reviewer left it in the shower for 20 minutes with water pouring down on it... and it didn't start up after that. 5 minutes later it turned on and worked flawlessly... That's good enough for me... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 5, 2019 Share #24 Posted April 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, Donzo98 said: One reviewer left it in the shower for 20 minutes with water pouring down on it... and it didn't start up after that. 5 minutes later it turned on and worked flawlessly... That's good enough for me... That was in a LuLa review. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted April 5, 2019 Share #25 Posted April 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, frame-it said: could try this Yup... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 5, 2019 Share #26 Posted April 5, 2019 Personally I would not see this weathersealing thing as a deal-breaker. I have been using cameras in inclement weather for decades without any issue. Mind you, I will attempt to be sensible and cover them when not in use, etc. For extreme conditions there are solutions ranging from a shower-cap to an Ewa Marine bag and for snorkeling and diving there are waterproof cameras and housings. I can understand Leica being extremely cautious in their claims and guaranty. Even if the camera meets its full IP specification, they can never determing at which angle a water intrusion has taken place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted April 5, 2019 Share #27 Posted April 5, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, jaapv said: Personally I would not see this weathersealing thing as a deal-breaker. I have been using cameras in inclement weather for decades without any issue. Mind you, I will attempt to be sensible and cover them when not in use, etc. For extreme conditions there are solutions ranging from a shower-cap to an Ewa Marine bag and for snorkeling and diving there are waterproof cameras and housings. I can understand Leica being extremely cautious in their claims and guaranty. Even if the camera meets its full IP specification, they can never determing at which angle a water intrusion has taken place. Exactly... the manual is just a disclaimer. 20 minutes under a direct shower should really never happen to anyone... and it still worked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitford Posted April 5, 2019 Share #28 Posted April 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Matsaly said: Whitford I look forward to your elaboration. I agree nothing is "permanent". I'm just trying to align my expectations. I would be very dissapointed if I bought the Q2 principally for weather sealing and it wore off in ay a year or two. (Or more likely right after the warranty expired:) FWIW- I am not planning on using the Q2 in a monsoon or as a hurricane hunter. Basically thinking whether I should upgrade early in the cycle to enjoy a modicum of weather protection on an expensive camera I plan on keeping for 7+ years. I have had the camera for about a week, most of which I have been using it for work as a supplemental for when I need something wide and fast. It's wonderful to use and does pretty well regardless of the buffer issue. I am working with a rock band so I tend to have moments where I fire off quite a few shots in a row and I have only hit the buffer once and the camera only needs a moment to catch up. Is this the behavior you expect from a $5,000 camera? No way. But when you put the images on your computer and look at them you'll forget the buffer's limitations pretty quickly. I don't understand this analog vs. digital thing that was mentioned regarding the Q and Q2. It's nonsense and is the same thing people said about the M9 (and still do) when the M240 came out. The images are stunningly good out of the Q2, like medium format territory good. I'm sure over time Leica will roll out little improvements that will fix the little things that us early adopters are discovering but at the end of the day, it's about the image you're trying to make and if you want something that will knock your socks off, give the Q2 a try. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted April 6, 2019 Share #29 Posted April 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Whitford said: I have had the camera for about a week, most of which I have been using it for work as a supplemental for when I need something wide and fast. It's wonderful to use and does pretty well regardless of the buffer issue. I am working with a rock band so I tend to have moments where I fire off quite a few shots in a row and I have only hit the buffer once and the camera only needs a moment to catch up. Is this the behavior you expect from a $5,000 camera? No way. But when you put the images on your computer and look at them you'll forget the buffer's limitations pretty quickly. I don't understand this analog vs. digital thing that was mentioned regarding the Q and Q2. It's nonsense and is the same thing people said about the M9 (and still do) when the M240 came out. The images are stunningly good out of the Q2, like medium format territory good. I'm sure over time Leica will roll out little improvements that will fix the little things that us early adopters are discovering but at the end of the day, it's about the image you're trying to make and if you want something that will knock your socks off, give the Q2 a try. 100% agree... This analog vs. digital thing is completely ridiculous... The Q2 is better than the Q1... but whether you care about the things that make it better is the buyer's call. Most of us here can afford the Q/Q2... only the buyer can decide if it's "necessary" for them. These are first world issues for sure. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted April 6, 2019 Share #30 Posted April 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, Donzo98 said: Exactly... the manual is just a disclaimer. 20 minutes under a direct shower should really never happen to anyone... and it still worked. David Farkas didn’t seem to mind his uncovered S in Iceland downpours... https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2015/09/my-photographic-adventure-through-iceland-with-the-leica-s-typ007/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo98 Posted April 6, 2019 Share #31 Posted April 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, Jeff S said: David Farkas didn’t seem to mind his uncovered S in Iceland downpours... https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2015/09/my-photographic-adventure-through-iceland-with-the-leica-s-typ007/ Jeff Very cool... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsaly Posted April 6, 2019 Author Share #32 Posted April 6, 2019 26 minutes ago, Donzo98 said: 100% agree... This analog vs. digital thing is completely ridiculous... The Q2 is better than the Q1... but whether you care about the things that make it better is the buyer's call. Most of us here can afford the Q/Q2... only the buyer can decide if it's "necessary" for them. These are first world issues for sure. Wow I really opened up the floodgates on this topic. (Pun intended). Given all the activity my original post may have been overshadowed. To reiterate- I recently bought a Q-P and the main reason I'm thinking of selling it and moving into the Q2 are the weather sealing, redesigned on/off button and hopefully GPS geotagging. Everyones input has been helpful and I feel more confident in the Q2's ability to withstand the conditions for which it is IP rated. I'm feeling more inclined to move forward with my purchase of a Q2 based upon your insightful comments. I'm guessing that many of the "glitches" early adopters are comparing about can be addressed/resolved with future firmware updates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfunnell Posted April 6, 2019 Share #33 Posted April 6, 2019 Don't hesitate to get the Q2 I have had mine for the past month after being an early adopter of the original Q. The images really speak for themselves. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsaly Posted April 6, 2019 Author Share #34 Posted April 6, 2019 I appreciate your encouragement. Since you were an early adopter of the Q do you recall the same type of murmurs about "glitches & hang-ups, flaws" etc when the original Q was released? In an indirect way I am asking whether the original Q had some "issues" upon release that were addressed by various firmware updates. If so then perhaps its normal for new cameras to have "bugs" or operational flaws that are subsequently remedied by future firmware updates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted April 6, 2019 Share #35 Posted April 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, Matsaly said: I appreciate your encouragement. Since you were an early adopter of the Q do you recall the same type of murmurs about "glitches & hang-ups, flaws" etc when the original Q was released? In an indirect way I am asking whether the original Q had some "issues" upon release that were addressed by various firmware updates. If so then perhaps its normal for new cameras to have "bugs" or operational flaws that are subsequently remedied by future firmware updates. I hope you won't take this wrong, because I certainly have similarly experienced the anxiety of putting down a large amount of money on a camera. But truly and honestly, the camera is for taking photographs. It's not an end in itself but a means. I'm personally not at all motivated to swap my Q for a Q2, but a very good friend of mine on this board (who's currently sailing UP the Danube) jumped at the chance immediately. Obviously you sort of feel the same way. The Q is an imperfect camera, but I feel it's perfect for me. The Q2 will become perfect for you, so long as you think of it as a means (for taking photographs) rather than an end in itself. If you love your Q-P, I suspect you'll really love the Q2, flaws and all. You have just got to decide how much that "really" is worth to you.😀 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matsaly Posted April 6, 2019 Author Share #36 Posted April 6, 2019 No offense taken whatsoever. I'm excited to be on the forum to exchange information, pointers and ideas. I would say all input in a cordial and respectful manner is welcomed. (Whether I agree with it is another matter). I love the IQ and ethos of the Q/Q-P. But for a couple of niggling issues and concerns I wouldn't even be considering selling it. Frankly I'm not so concerned about losing $ on my resale of the Q-P as I am whether my expectations of the Q2 are realistic. If the Q2 offers a meaningful (obviously highly subjective ) improvement in the ability to shoot in inclement weather without concern that the camera is going to fritz out that alone adds "value" to me. If it's likely that Leica will get the Geotagging feature properly implemented that adds value to me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Q Posted April 6, 2019 Share #37 Posted April 6, 2019 I am also an early adopter of both the Q1 and Q2, and I can say with confidence that the Q2 is a better tool in every conceivable way. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted April 6, 2019 Share #38 Posted April 6, 2019 (edited) 23 hours ago, Jeff S said: I’m sure it’s still better sealed than the Q, and still imperfect like every other camera, always requiring common sense. Jeff Here's some weather proofing that won't wear off - http://www.subal.com/a461c98c2c1/Housings/UW_Housings/Sony_Leica/Q_V3.aspx# 😋 Edited April 6, 2019 by Herr Barnack 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted April 9, 2019 Share #39 Posted April 9, 2019 I don't think I've seen this mentioned in any of the discussions about the Q2's weather sealing (admittedly I'm not on the 'digital' sub-forums much so may have missed it), but I assume it's possible to reseal the camera when the seals break down, correct? Not unlike a wristwatch that needs to be re-sealed occasionally to maintain water resistance, it's not surprising that a camera would require the same sort of maintenance. Does Leica perform this service on it's weather sealed cameras? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoarFM Posted April 9, 2019 Share #40 Posted April 9, 2019 On 4/5/2019 at 7:35 PM, JimBo said: My interest in the Q2 is waning because whereas three weeks ago I really wanted one, I still have no idea where I am on the various waiting lists, other than it will be “months” A used M240 with a 28mm Elmarit is looking pretty good now. Apples and oranges I know, but still.... You should rent an M240 with a 28. LensRentals maybe? I have squelched a fair amount of GAS by renting first, then deciding that I didn't really want a lens as much as I thought. I've also bought a used lens the same way through LensRentals. When it's all said and done, you might not have really wanted a Q2 or and M240. Or maybe you do. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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