M lenses on EOS R

[rob_w]

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I'm contemplating an EOS R for its own sake but would be added value if I could use my M lenses on it (28/2.8, 35/1,4, 50/1.4,75/2.0 all by Leica).  Steve Huff says the 50 lux works really well.  I have not seen any other comments on the net or on this forum.  Any feedback from those having tried it?  Thanks.

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[spydrxx]

Only for macro shots. The register distance (lens mounting flange to film plane/sensor) is much greater on the EOS R. It would be like using an extension ring on the lenses on an M body.

[LocalHero1953]

33 minutes ago, spydrxx said:

Only for macro shots. The register distance (lens mounting flange to film plane/sensor) is much greater on the EOS R. It would be like using an extension ring on the lenses on an M body.

Have you got the right figures?

The M-mount flange distance is 27.8mm, and the Canon EOS R (RF-mount) is 20mm, the same as the Leica L-mount. The Nikon Z-mount is 16mm.

So it should work, if there's an adapter.

Edited February 7, 2019 by LocalHero1953

[rob_w]

The EOS R is mirrorless.  Similar flange distance to Nikon Z, Panasonic S1 etc.  It does have an AA filter which may affect wide-angle performance.  It's just that I have seen no-one here with M lenses actually try it out.

 

[spydrxx]

2 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said:

Have you got the right figures?

The M-mount flange distance is 27.8mm, and the Canon EOS R (RF-mount) is 20mm, the same as the Leica L-mount. The Nikon Z-mount is 16mm.

So it should work, if there's an adapter.

My error - I missed the R, thinking the OP was referring to an old EOS film body. PLEASE DISREGARD MY EARLIER POST

[rob_w]

Hmmm.  No-one using this combo?  There were plenty for the Sony A7 series and some recently for the Nikon Z.  There just doesn't seem to be any reports for the Canon R anywhere that I can find.

 

[adan]

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1) Even Canon users seem - underwhelmed - by the Canon R. Not image quality (generally), but ergonomics and operational limitations (single card slot, cropped video, slowish burst rate, rolling shutter in silent-mode or video use, etc. etc.) https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r/11

2) As to use with M lenses, there is this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61826473

Unlike the Sony and Nikon Z (with Sony sensor), the Canon R still uses a front-illuminated sensor, which contributes to "Italian-flag" color stains around the edges of the frame (especially in the long direction) with wider lenses.

Of course, so do the Leica digital bodies - but Leica has the programming and lens-ID system (and in the M10, proprietary pixel microlenses) to remove that staining at the moment of shooting - the Canon can't do that. It'll show with your 28 and 35 lenses, less so with the 50, probably not a problem with the 75.

Additionally, the Canon R sensor has two cover-glass layers (the normal IR-blocking filter, plus a vibrating panel to shake off dust for "self-cleaning") - 1.6mm total thickness

Unless one has a compelling reason to choose the Canon (closet-full of legacy EOS lenses to adapt) the other mirrorless systems seem to do better, stand-alone, and with M lenses.

That may explain why you don't see many users reporting.

 

[treeplanter]

4 hours ago, adan said:

1) Even Canon users seem - underwhelmed - by the Canon R. Not image quality (generally), but ergonomics and operational limitations (single card slot, cropped video, slowish burst rate, rolling shutter in silent-mode or video use, etc. etc.) https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r/11

2) As to use with M lenses, there is this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61826473

Unlike the Sony and Nikon Z (with Sony sensor), the Canon R still uses a front-illuminated sensor, which contributes to "Italian-flag" color stains around the edges of the frame (especially in the long direction) with wider lenses.

Of course, so do the Leica digital bodies - but Leica has the programming and lens-ID system (and in the M10, proprietary pixel microlenses) to remove that staining at the moment of shooting - the Canon can't do that. It'll show with your 28 and 35 lenses, less so with the 50, probably not a problem with the 75.

Additionally, the Canon R sensor has two cover-glass layers (the normal IR-blocking filter, plus a vibrating panel to shake off dust for "self-cleaning") - 1.6mm total thickness

Unless one has a compelling reason to choose the Canon (closet-full of legacy EOS lenses to adapt) the other mirrorless systems seem to do better, stand-alone, and with M lenses.

That may explain why you don't see many users reporting.

 

You sure about that?  Because of the EOS R, Canon is now #1 in mirrorless sales in Japan.

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canon-snatches-japanese-mirrorless-market-from-olympus-and-sony-thanks-to-canon-eos-r

[Ko.Fe.]

6 hours ago, rob_w said:

Hmmm.  No-one using this combo?  There were plenty for the Sony A7 series and some recently for the Nikon Z.  There just doesn't seem to be any reports for the Canon R anywhere that I can find.

 

Maybe because Canon EF lenses are good enough. I'm taking pictures with both. Digital EOS and digital M and have experience with both native lenses.

To be honest, I think Canon EF lenses have better quality, price performance than Leica M lenses. It doesn't cost much to add prime or zoom with EOS and have fully working EF AF lens on R cameras.

https://kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/lenses/ef-adapters.htm

 Even film only era Canon EF lenses from nineties gives good pictures on digital EOS, costs little and not always big in size.

 

[rob_w]

18 hours ago, adan said:

As to use with M lenses, there is this: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/61826473

Thanks for the link Andy, I had not seen this one.  Re the general reception of EOS R, I find it more mixed than the DPReview article suggests.  There are some "tick-the-box" features missing for some buyers.  I don't care about 2 card slots, movie capabilities or IBIS, for example.  I do care that the AF is quick and reliable, especially in the dark and especially with razor-thin DOF at f1.2.   Physical handling, at a shop in London, indicates good balance, ergonomics and thoughtful design for grip, etc.

Of course, I don't want to discuss Canon cameras here, really.  I'm just keen to know whether others have tried M lenses, which work, and which don't.  The sensor cover is 1.6mm -- a bit less than the Sony A7R that many on this forum use with good results.  Though, as you say, likely to be less acceptable for angled rays from WA lenses.

[ivohula]

I am wondering whether anyone has tried any M lenses on the Canon R or RP? Anyone out there with actual first hand experience? Many people have opinions but no one has really tried to see how well it works at different focal lengths. I am considering this combination, especially with the RP weighing in at less than 500 grams. Of course, it's sensor is different from the R.

I also note that in North America, the Novoflex
Leica M Lens to Canon RF-Mount Camera Adapter

 B&H # NOEOSRLEM is sold out in most shops. 

I really do not want to try re-inventing the wheel if I don't need to, know what I mean. So, anyone actually doing this??

[rob_w]

Has anyone tried the Summicron-M 35 f2 ASPH on either of the Canon EOS R bodies?

Thanks

[mdp]

7 hours ago, rob_w said:

Has anyone tried the Summicron-M 35 f2 ASPH on either of the Canon EOS R bodies?

Thanks

No, but I use the Summicron M 2/35 on my Nikon Z7, and it is excellent. As is the Summilux M 1.4/50.

I would have thought they will work equally well on the EOS R

Edited March 2, 2019 by mdp
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[Levoy]

Hi everyone,

Here I come for a brand new EOS R user just testing with M 21/2.8 at Indoor.

I am using the Novoflex LM-EOSR Adapter, comparing with my old A7, both photos are taken at 30/1, F2.8, ISO 800

A7 : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nFrImSQGwgKwg1Sb2QXiI-QYU3pDw_35/view

EOS R : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_MDLG9-EnXt6V-Z5qcJf3KWnMOPjyPvu/view

Edited March 4, 2019 by Levoy

[rob_w]

Hi Levoy

Thanks for posting this.  It is difficult to tell from this particular scene what the lens vignetting is like, and also what the detail rendering at the edges is like -- both being areas of concern when M lenses are used on non-Leica cameras. 

To my eye it does seem that there is a magenta cast to the borders of the EOS R example, but that may be due to overall colour rendering, which looks a bit strange compared to the A7.

If you were able to post some more examples, e.g. taken in daylight with edge-to-edge detail, that would be very helpful.

Best

 

Robert

[cp995]

Am 22.2.2019 um 21:22 schrieb ivohula:

I am wondering whether anyone has tried any M lenses on the Canon R or RP?

Me too!
Would be fine to see some examples ...

 

[roma]

Yes, please, someone post some observations and photos of M lenses on EOS R and if a cheap adapter vs not cheap makes a difference. I want to use EOS R with a BEOON to digitize my B&W film.

Tried A7R III last week with BEOON and corners are smearing. I do only have a cheap $20 adapter though. Maybe a different adapter would be better. Still, would prefer to use a Canon camera.

[taemo]

Bumping this as this is the first link on google searches for Leica M lenses on

Bought a Canon EOS R and a Haoge adapter and tested my M mount lenses.
Sadly wide angle lenses suffers some purple vignetting on the corners, 50mm doesn't look like to have some issues

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[SonomaBear]

On 2/7/2019 at 5:56 AM, rob_w said:

I'm contemplating an EOS R for its own sake but would be added value if I could use my M lenses on it (28/2.8, 35/1,4, 50/1.4,75/2.0 all by Leica).  Steve Huff says the 50 lux works really well.  I have not seen any other comments on the net or on this forum.  Any feedback from those having tried it?  Thanks.

I am a very happy Canon R user with five M lenses on very inexpensive adapters.  This way I swap lenses quickly with their adapters still attached.

There are a lot of misconceptions expressed in posts above.  Let me share my experiences since I started using M lenses in the summer:

1. The 50mm Summicron type IV is just phenomenal!  And lightroom supports it with a lens profile.
2. The CV Color Skopar produced horrible corner CA and vignetting which LR could not correct even with the VC profile.  I returned it.
3. Leica 3.5/35mm Summaron is delicious.  I'm still looking for the right 28mm...
4. Leica 2.8/90mm Tele-Elmarit (Thin version) is a great portrait maker
5. Leica 4.5/135mm Hektor is only OK but from a tripod it makes nice images.
6. Industar 6L/D1 2.8/52mm M39 actually delivers good images after f/4 (acceptable wide open through) -- my only M39 lens, I have it on eBay for $49 -- I'll include the M39-RF adapter to good folks here... https://www.ebay.com/itm/163953202724

Now that I have a Leica SL with a really good adapter for M glass, I use my M glass there.  I still love my R with RF and EF lenses.

Edited November 20, 2019 by SonomaBear
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[jaeger]

On 2/8/2019 at 3:23 PM, treeplanter said:

You sure about that?  Because of the EOS R, Canon is now #1 in mirrorless sales in Japan.

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canon-snatches-japanese-mirrorless-market-from-olympus-and-sony-thanks-to-canon-eos-r

He's right.  Your reading about Canon being top seller probably because it has better lens support.  Nikon Z lenses are very slow rolling out, expensive, not impressive and has stupid OLED display.