Fuji GFX vs SL

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1 hour ago, BernardC said:

The S is quite simply the best SLR camera ever made, in terms of its viewfinder. To me. that's a slice of heaven.

+1

I agree. For me the OVF is still the thing which makes me keep the S system and slowly buying  new S lenses. 

When I tested the GFX50r over the weekend, I had no problems to focus the 45mm and 110mm lenses in AF mode. I also noticed that the Eye Detect mode made the camera react faster to the changes to shooting situation. I began using the back display for framing and focusing and it’s a new experience for me and it was liberating. This plastic thing can deliver the quality , but the 50r is no replacement for the S camera.

 

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[tgdinamo]

I purchased  GFX 50R with 45mm and 110mm lenses few days ago (to complement my Q). Really enjoying it so far - very intuitive and great ergonomics. I went out to shoot for the first time yesterday and here are some examples (all shots taken with 45mm were hand held and most of the shots with 110mm as well - only a few on tripod).

https://spark.adobe.com/page/boWa2155jrPIU/

 

[frame-it]

2 hours ago, tgdinamo said:

I purchased  GFX 50R with 45mm and 110mm lenses few days ago (to complement my Q). Really enjoying it so far - very intuitive and great ergonomics. I went out to shoot for the first time yesterday and here are some examples (all shots taken with 45mm were hand held and most of the shots with 110mm as well - only a few on tripod).

https://spark.adobe.com/page/boWa2155jrPIU/

 

i heard the magnesium alloy body is very lightweight ? hows it balance with the 110 ?

Edited December 31, 2018 by frame-it

[Brian C in Az]

On FredMiranda's site, there is a pro who shoots the GFX with the Otus lenses. The pictures have a unique quality of being very sharp with excellent contrast but also maintaining the organic 3D look of film. Maybe the best of both.

[helged]

56 minutes ago, Brian C in Az said:

On FredMiranda's site, there is a pro who shoots the GFX with the Otus lenses. The pictures have a unique quality of being very sharp with excellent contrast but also maintaining the organic 3D look of film. Maybe the best of both.

But the Otus-lenses dont have the image circle of the mini-MF sensors - as far as I recall - so cropping is involved? 

[Chaemono]

Am 30.12.2018 um 16:13 schrieb tom0511:

...image looks detailed but not artifical sharpened, background blur looks smooth, overall the more "organic" an image looks the less I feel looking at an image. The transition to background and tonality are a big part of it IMO.

75 Summicron-SL on SL vs. 75 Noctilux-M on M10-P with both lenses at f/2 in this link https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-53KVDc/. Jaap doesn't like it if we fill up the threads with images, so no LUF compressed JPEGs here. These two are handheld at similarly slow shutter speeds, so take the sharpness comparison with a grain of salt. I tried to get exposure, WB, and colors to look as close as possible in LR with equal amount of sharpening and no NR. 

You describe in most words what I see. The details on the bicycle lamp are all resolved in the 75 Noctilux picture but aren't as sharp as in the one taken with the 75 Summicron-SL. The 75 Noctilux blur looks smoother in this example but in others the difference is immaterial (I have tons of them and I can see it but others won't be able to or won't care for the difference). Clearly there is a trade-off between sharpness and smooth OOF rendering, but, again, in most pictures it won't matter.

So, we have two 2018 released Leica lenses with slightly different properties or 'design philosophy', if you so will, and the 75 Noctilux falls into the same 'design philosophy' as the S lenses IMO.

I have more. I may start a separate thread on this.

 

[tgdinamo]

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5 hours ago, frame-it said:

i heard the magnesium alloy body is very lightweight ? hows it balance with the 110 ?

I think it balances well. I carried the camera in my hand with the wrist strap (Fuji has a good one for this camera that attaches to tripod mount in addition to usual spot on the side of the camera) and nothing felt wrong/strange carrying the camera with 110 attached in that configuration (and my hand did not get tired after carrying for about 3 hours). Having said this, if you are shooting with that lens without tripod or monopod you will need to bump up the ISO higher than you are used too (I think I will not go slower than 1/250s shutter speed when hand holding so ISO will naturally go higher than you would normally use with other cameras) - but I'm finding that's not a problem as the files look incredibly clean even at ISO >1000 - probably something to do with MF sensor - not sure since medium format photography is still new to me so there is a lot of fun learning ahead).

[Chaemono]

Sorry, one more post. I just uploaded two pictures, one with a more 'organic' looking 918 Porsche Spyder to my eyes in the link https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-53KVDc/. My heart pumps faster when I look at the 75 Nocitlux picture, even at f/2.

Edited December 31, 2018 by Chaemono

[tgdinamo]

For those of you curious about GF 110mm, take a look at the 2 images in this dpreview post (one of my handheld images with this heavy lens, and also 80% crop from the same image).

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62112983

 

[helged]

1 hour ago, Chaemono said:

75 Summicron-SL on SL vs. 75 Noctilux-M on M10-P with both lenses at f/2 in this link https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-53KVDc/. Jaap doesn't like it if we fill up the threads with images, so no LUF compressed JPEGs here. These two are handheld at similarly slow shutter speeds, so take the sharpness comparison with a grain of salt. I tried to get exposure, WB, and colors to look as close as possible in LR with equal amount of sharpening and no NR. 

You describe in most words what I see. The details on the bicycle lamp are all resolved in the 75 Noctilux picture but aren't as sharp as in the one taken with the 75 Summicron-SL. The 75 Noctilux blur looks smoother in this example but in others the difference is immaterial (I have tons of them and I can see it but others won't be able to or won't care for the difference). Clearly there is a trade-off between sharpness and smooth OOF rendering, but, again, in most pictures it won't matter.

So, we have two 2018 released Leica lenses with slightly different properties or 'design philosophy', if you so will, and the 75 Noctilux falls into the same 'design philosophy' as the S lenses IMO.

I have more. I may start a separate thread on this.

 

Thanks. The most obvious difference for me, without digging into the pixel-level, is the stronger tendency for cat-eye shaped, off-centre oof highlights with the SL prime. 

[Chaemono]

Yes, but don’t forget that one lens is wide open, the other stopped down a bit. For me the biggest difference besides the OOF rendering is the ‘smoothness’ in tonality with the 75 Noctilux 😀. But no grey card and color checker chart used to eliminate color and temperature differences. 😁 So it’s a totally subjective assessment. Everyone weighs different attributes differently according to one’s own preferences. Therefore, just my personal opinion, the 75 Noctilux is addictive. I love the look, the tones, even at f/2. It’s like the 120 Summarit-S, very special. 

[helged]

1 hour ago, Chaemono said:

Yes, but don’t forget that one lens is wide open, the other stopped down a bit. For me the biggest difference besides the OOF rendering is the ‘smoothness’ in tonality with the 75 Noctilux 😀. But no grey card and color checker chart used to eliminate color and temperature differences. 😁 So it’s a totally subjective assessment. Everyone weighs different attributes differently according to one’s own preferences. Therefore, just my personal opinion, the 75 Noctilux is addictive. I love the look, the tones, even at f/2. It’s like the 120 Summarit-S, very special. 

Yes, the 120-S is indeed special (using this lens myself ). The 75 Lux-M is certainly a (very) special lens too - based on, among others - your images.

[Brian C in Az]

8 hours ago, helged said:

But the Otus-lenses dont have the image circle of the mini-MF sensors - as far as I recall - so cropping is involved? 

Very little cropping as you can see from this uncrossed image

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[frame-it]

8 hours ago, helged said:

But the Otus-lenses dont have the image circle of the mini-MF sensors - as far as I recall - so cropping is involved? 

there are also loads of great images online with the GFX + Leica M/R lenses with not much cropping too

https://www.wilson888.com/single-post/2017/04/24/Using-my-Leica-lens-on-the-new-medium-format-Fujifilm-GFX-50S

 

 

[Brian C in Az]

14 hours ago, frame-it said:

there are also loads of great images online with the GFX + Leica M/R lenses with not much cropping too

https://www.wilson888.com/single-post/2017/04/24/Using-my-Leica-lens-on-the-new-medium-format-Fujifilm-GFX-50S

 

 

Thanks.

I had tried numerous searches for the Fuji using Leica lenses and none showed up in the results.

I was very curious to see how the image circle compared, it appears the vignetting is even lower in his 1st image than with the Otus.

His images show that Pica and others on this forum were wrong when they adamantly claimed the R lenses wouldn't  work.

The small amount of cropping necessary shows the GFX sensor and Leica lenses are a good combination.

That opens up a whole new set of possibilities...

It's a shame that Leica won't consider a 4:3 or 5:4 sensor in the SL. I find that I crop almost every image from 3:2 to one of those formats. We would end up with a more usable sensor size with less waste. There really is no reason or need to stay with 35mm film dimensions in a digital product. The image circle is round, why waste so much of it by using a long rectangular sensor? A square sensor or 4:3 /5:4 sensor makes much more sense. Printing paper is closer to those dimensions than they are to 35mm. Most people find the 4:3/5:4 formats more pleasing to the eye than 35mm. Sometimes, German engineers can be so stubborn...

[Chaemono]

One more, a motorcycle pair:   https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-53KVDc/. So close, but if one zooms in on motorcycle 62 and looks at the transition from the front cover to the gas tank to the seat one can see a slightly smoother transition with with 75 Noctilux. The drop off is more sudden with the 75 Summicron-SL, the motorcycle seat a bit more blurred, and that’s what makes the front cover pop out a bit more. It hardly makes a difference in these two photos but it’s good to be aware of the different properties of two very ‘modern’ Leica 75s.

[Brian C in Az]

The ISO was different, the aperture was different and the focus point was different, so not an accurate comparison.

The bokeh on the SL image is better.

Edited January 1, 2019 by Brian C in Az

[Succisa75]

23 hours ago, tgdinamo said:

I think it balances well. I carried the camera in my hand with the wrist strap (Fuji has a good one for this camera that attaches to tripod mount in addition to usual spot on the side of the camera) and nothing felt wrong/strange carrying the camera with 110 attached in that configuration (and my hand did not get tired after carrying for about 3 hours). Having said this, if you are shooting with that lens without tripod or monopod you will need to bump up the ISO higher than you are used too (I think I will not go slower than 1/250s shutter speed when hand holding so ISO will naturally go higher than you would normally use with other cameras) - but I'm finding that's not a problem as the files look incredibly clean even at ISO >1000 - probably something to do with MF sensor - not sure since medium format photography is still new to me so there is a lot of fun learning ahead).

Yes Medium format performs different than full frame in regards to ISO. You can also set the max iso and slowest shuttespeed on the GFX which does help take some of the guess work out of it.  I usually keep the iso to 6400 max, however in nighttime I have gotten very usable shots at 12500. 

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[vortex]

Am 30.12.2018 um 08:00 schrieb meerec:

I held the GRX-R body in the shop last week. Wow!! I thought at the first glance it was a mock-up for display only. It felt like one. This thing is made entirely of plastic, and has no heft to it whatsoever. It weighs nothing, like an empty plastic box. Having shot with the SL for three years now, this was a bit of a shock to me. I’m not saying it’s totally bad, the new materials (plastics) are sometimes harder than steel. But I really didn’t expect it. And yes, I quickly counted the different buttons on the body, and there is more than 15 (!) different things to turn or press. OMG it’s a computer not a camera anymore. 

Before spreading inexact informations to all of us,  you should inform yourself about the product!

And if 15 buttons overrun your capability to handle, that's your problem!

r.

http://www.fujifilm.com/products/digital_cameras/gfx/fujifilm_gfx_50r/features/index.html

The FUJIFILM GFX 50R's magnesium alloy camera body is dust- and water-resistant while also being able to withstand low temperatures. Despite carrying a large image sensor, the camera is compact, lightweight and extremely durable. The GFX 50R rangefinder style design, weighing just 775g, makes it astonishingly compact and lightweight despite being a medium format digital camera, especially when fitted with a compact lens. Weather seals on the inside of the camera body means it is made to withstand dust and moisture and low temperatures. That makes it a perfect choice for a wide range of tough shooting conditions, as well as in-studio.

Edited January 1, 2019 by vortex

[mmradman]

On 12/30/2018 at 7:00 AM, meerec said:

I held the GRX-R body in the shop last week. >>>snip<<<

I quickly counted the different buttons on the body, and there is more than 15 (!) different things to turn or press. OMG it’s a computer not a camera anymore. 

This is in addition to Vortex's post...

That is at least one (1) more than SL601, which has 14.  If i count battery release that would be total of 15.  

Obsession with hardware minimalism expressed by some Leica users is just that obsession.  Fuji dedicated conventional shutter and compensation dials are nice and functional touch.  Personally i am happy with either few or many buttons as long as optics attached to the camera+sensor delivers.