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16 minutes ago, Jossie said:

@Stealth3kpl It would be interesting to have the original VueScan raw scan (that with the orange mask) to play with it. Would you make it available?

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Is this good enough?

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@Stealth3kpl Thanks for the image. Since it is a JPG, the test is not 100% valid. Here is what I get with ColorPerfect, default settings, no further adjustments. It agrees quite well with your PhotoShop-version. The question is, how does this compare with your memory of the original colours?

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4 hours ago, Stealth3kpl said:

and where's the white neutralizer in color efex?

 

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At the bottom of the alphabetical list of apps. Place the pipette sampler onto an area of white that has a colour cast, such as a light shadow, and take a sample with the left mouse button. You can then refine the correction to the local area or to the whole image. 

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1 hour ago, Jossie said:

@Stealth3kpl Thanks for the image. Since it is a JPG, the test is not 100% valid. Here is what I get with ColorPerfect, default settings, no further adjustments. It agrees quite well with your PhotoShop-version. The question is, how does this compare with your memory of the original colours?

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I remember it being more like this

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Reducing the B-channel somewhat in RawTherapee gets me somewhat closer to your color-version but the red coat is way off:

 

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4 hours ago, Ouroboros said:

Too red for my taste, but I'd be correcting a 16-bit tiff anyway and I agree with you that working with a low res file is not ideal for this sort of thing.

I must say I've never been impressed with any plug-in that promises a one-click fix for anything let alone be tempted to change my (over 3 decades long) Photoshop workflow, so I'm a bit sceptical at this point. 

Always open to new ideas, though.

Out of interest, could you have a go at that "RAW" file above, and post here?

I've also tried many plugins, Colorperfect being the best in conversion for me, hence my interest. Nothing seems perfect, and if it is good it is inconvenient.

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4 hours ago, Stealth3kpl said:

I remember it being more like this

Of course this is the problem when other people advise on colour accuracy, what you remember is the way to go. The ambient light can reflect all types of natural colour casts from subtle reflections to 'sunset mode', but this is the same with digital files, what you want and what get are transmutable.

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NLP works on DNG files from camera scans and obviously has a user interface that looks a lot easier to use than that of ColorPerfect — and may  give better results as well. I won't be able to try it (no internet access) for the next couple of days.  Since it works on DNG files, I'm wondering if it would also be useful for working on, say M10 files — especially for taming the M10 highlights rendering issues. I watched the 35 minute NLP video and it looks like some of the highlight controls could facilitate more subtle and moderate changes in highlights than Lightroom itself which, unfortunately encourages, through the slider interface, more rough moves. (Maybe this is an off-the-wall question.)
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23 hours ago, Stealth3kpl said:

Out of interest, could you have a go at that "RAW" file above, and post here?

I've also tried many plugins, Colorperfect being the best in conversion for me, hence my interest. Nothing seems perfect, and if it is good it is inconvenient.

Pete

If you can send me a link to a high resolution file, yes.  I'm currently away but will take a look when I return next week. 

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The available Test-Raws on his website are really stunning when converted. They're available when downloading the Test-Version.

As far as I understand NLP is currently only optimized for Camera Raws & not for scanners.
I sent several Vuescan TIFFs & DNGs to Nate (the author) which he'll use to improve the calibration for Nikon Coolscan 5000 scans :)
 

Quote from the author of the Plugin:
 

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The 'color models' are not done yet for scanners (high on my priority list), so for instance, the "Frontier" emulation will not work because it is not calibrated yet for non-DSLR scans... Coming soon.

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Really interesting!

I downloaded the trial and I think it does work very well with the raw files from my Sony A5000. Lately I have been using a Photoshop action to invert the raw files, which works well but the output files usually need some later adjustments (I save them to TIFF and post process in LR); in particular it looks oto me this action oversaturates the blue tones. NLP, on the contrary, seems to produce very good results and very quickly. I have to say it is quite expensive, although one license can be used on two machines, I believe, so it might be shared.

One thing I don't like of inverting files inside LR is that all the commands get inverted/screwed up. That is why I prefer to invert in PS, save to TIFF, import in LR and adjust. Of course, it's just a matter of getting used to a different process.

In case anybody is interested, here's the link to the PS action: https://www.iamthejeff.com/post/32/the-best-way-to-color-correct-c-41-negative-film-scans

 

 

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20 hours ago, AntonioF said:

NLP, on the contrary, seems to produce very good results and very quickly. (...)

One thing I don't like of inverting files inside LR is that all the commands get inverted/screwed up. That is why I prefer to invert in PS, save to TIFF, import in LR and adjust. Of course, it's just a matter of getting used to a different process.

 

yes indeed, just tried it with my Sony A7ii yesterday and it's really fast and performing great in terms of colors! Also B&Ws are great, too.

 

If you check "Tif-Copy" before closing the NLP-Plugin you will get a virtual copy in which all the sliders & commands work like they should : )

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2 hours ago, Keith (M) said:

Just read this on the Emulsive.org site:-

Color drama: Negative Lab Pro… Finding the right workflow for scanning color film at home

Interesting comparison and a very clear outcome (for the author).  Anybody regularly using NLP (now at v2.0) ?

I do and am very happy with the results, sure sometimes the colors might be slightly off but then very easy to correct. Now v2, I’m quite sure it is better. Over the weekend, I’m planning to scan 2 rolls to see the results.

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If I scan a colour negative with the Flextight I can trust the associated software (FlexColor) to get the colours right. But if I use the Nikon 9000 with VueScan, the best plan is for a raw scan and ColorPerfect in PS.

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On 6/14/2019 at 4:13 AM, Keith (M) said:

Just read this on the Emulsive.org site:-

Color drama: Negative Lab Pro… Finding the right workflow for scanning color film at home

Interesting comparison and a very clear outcome (for the author).  Anybody regularly using NLP (now at v2.0) ?

I use it quite regularly  prefer the DSLR scans to my VueScan Nikon scanner

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Hi Pete, thanks for posting about this plugin. I don't use Lightroom but I am all in favour of ways to enable people to use film and to do so easily.

My few observations are only that, as we all know, colour negatives are so malleable in post and that it is not very easy to arrive at "correct" colour. In many applications it is possible to use an eyedropper tool to click on something average grey, i.e. that has identical R G and B values. I use this as a starting point for colour editing in Adobe Camera Raw which is my preferred editor, unless I need to do selective processing in Photoshop. I use ColorPerfect to invert C41 as an "as good as possible one-click solution" because it is good enough for me. I use this with my Flextight X1 actually even though it's possible, as Chris says, to get very accurate colour with Flexcolor. Old habits die hard.

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On 11/3/2018 at 12:41 PM, Stealth3kpl said:

I wish there were a video about how to do that sort of thing, Steve, hint hint.

What do I use to measure the -10 cyan?

And where's the white neutralizer in color efex?

 

Pete

 

 

 

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I tried it and found it to give satisfactory results. The key to get correct colors is to do first WB using the unexposed part of the negative before the conversion. After that default settings worked for me. I used M240 and BEOON.

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I've tried to use this on negatives I've scanned with the Pakon F135+ in raw mode and I have never been able to come close to those Pakon results (the default NLP result is way off with severe green colour casts). Frankly, I've probably wiped a year off my life from self-induced stress relating to trying to DSLR scan C41 negatives myself lol. How the heck did they ever get them to print in the darkroom?! I thought my software engineering background would give me a head start but nope.

I wish Kodak would produce a new higher-resolution Pakon and be done with it.

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