Guest Posted November 3, 2018 Share #21 Posted November 3, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) @Stealth3kpl It would be interesting to have the original VueScan raw scan (that with the orange mask) to play with it. Would you make it available? Hermann-Josef Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 3, 2018 Posted November 3, 2018 Hi Guest, Take a look here Negative Lab Pro. C41 Digital Conversion in Lightroom. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Stealth3kpl Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share #22 Posted November 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jossie said: @Stealth3kpl It would be interesting to have the original VueScan raw scan (that with the orange mask) to play with it. Would you make it available? Hermann-Josef Is this good enough? Pete Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290974-negative-lab-pro-c41-digital-conversion-in-lightroom/?do=findComment&comment=3624689'>More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 3, 2018 Share #23 Posted November 3, 2018 @Stealth3kpl Thanks for the image. Since it is a JPG, the test is not 100% valid. Here is what I get with ColorPerfect, default settings, no further adjustments. It agrees quite well with your PhotoShop-version. The question is, how does this compare with your memory of the original colours? Hermann-Josef Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290974-negative-lab-pro-c41-digital-conversion-in-lightroom/?do=findComment&comment=3624710'>More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 3, 2018 Share #24 Posted November 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Stealth3kpl said: and where's the white neutralizer in color efex? Pete At the bottom of the alphabetical list of apps. Place the pipette sampler onto an area of white that has a colour cast, such as a light shadow, and take a sample with the left mouse button. You can then refine the correction to the local area or to the whole image. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share #25 Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Jossie said: @Stealth3kpl Thanks for the image. Since it is a JPG, the test is not 100% valid. Here is what I get with ColorPerfect, default settings, no further adjustments. It agrees quite well with your PhotoShop-version. The question is, how does this compare with your memory of the original colours? Hermann-Josef Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I remember it being more like this 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 3, 2018 Share #26 Posted November 3, 2018 Reducing the B-channel somewhat in RawTherapee gets me somewhat closer to your color-version but the red coat is way off: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290974-negative-lab-pro-c41-digital-conversion-in-lightroom/?do=findComment&comment=3624785'>More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share #27 Posted November 3, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) 4 hours ago, Ouroboros said: Too red for my taste, but I'd be correcting a 16-bit tiff anyway and I agree with you that working with a low res file is not ideal for this sort of thing. I must say I've never been impressed with any plug-in that promises a one-click fix for anything let alone be tempted to change my (over 3 decades long) Photoshop workflow, so I'm a bit sceptical at this point. Always open to new ideas, though. Out of interest, could you have a go at that "RAW" file above, and post here? I've also tried many plugins, Colorperfect being the best in conversion for me, hence my interest. Nothing seems perfect, and if it is good it is inconvenient. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 3, 2018 Share #28 Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Stealth3kpl said: I remember it being more like this Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Of course this is the problem when other people advise on colour accuracy, what you remember is the way to go. The ambient light can reflect all types of natural colour casts from subtle reflections to 'sunset mode', but this is the same with digital files, what you want and what get are transmutable. Edited November 3, 2018 by 250swb 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nowhereman Posted November 4, 2018 Share #29 Posted November 4, 2018 NLP works on DNG files from camera scans and obviously has a user interface that looks a lot easier to use than that of ColorPerfect — and may give better results as well. I won't be able to try it (no internet access) for the next couple of days. Since it works on DNG files, I'm wondering if it would also be useful for working on, say M10 files — especially for taming the M10 highlights rendering issues. I watched the 35 minute NLP video and it looks like some of the highlight controls could facilitate more subtle and moderate changes in highlights than Lightroom itself which, unfortunately encourages, through the slider interface, more rough moves. (Maybe this is an off-the-wall question.) _______________Alone in Bangkok essay on BURN MagazineNowhereman Instagram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroboros Posted November 4, 2018 Share #30 Posted November 4, 2018 23 hours ago, Stealth3kpl said: Out of interest, could you have a go at that "RAW" file above, and post here? I've also tried many plugins, Colorperfect being the best in conversion for me, hence my interest. Nothing seems perfect, and if it is good it is inconvenient. Pete If you can send me a link to a high resolution file, yes. I'm currently away but will take a look when I return next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
predicolous Posted November 5, 2018 Share #31 Posted November 5, 2018 The available Test-Raws on his website are really stunning when converted. They're available when downloading the Test-Version. As far as I understand NLP is currently only optimized for Camera Raws & not for scanners. I sent several Vuescan TIFFs & DNGs to Nate (the author) which he'll use to improve the calibration for Nikon Coolscan 5000 scans Quote from the author of the Plugin: Quote The 'color models' are not done yet for scanners (high on my priority list), so for instance, the "Frontier" emulation will not work because it is not calibrated yet for non-DSLR scans... Coming soon. (Source) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonioF Posted November 9, 2018 Share #32 Posted November 9, 2018 (edited) Really interesting! I downloaded the trial and I think it does work very well with the raw files from my Sony A5000. Lately I have been using a Photoshop action to invert the raw files, which works well but the output files usually need some later adjustments (I save them to TIFF and post process in LR); in particular it looks oto me this action oversaturates the blue tones. NLP, on the contrary, seems to produce very good results and very quickly. I have to say it is quite expensive, although one license can be used on two machines, I believe, so it might be shared. One thing I don't like of inverting files inside LR is that all the commands get inverted/screwed up. That is why I prefer to invert in PS, save to TIFF, import in LR and adjust. Of course, it's just a matter of getting used to a different process. In case anybody is interested, here's the link to the PS action: https://www.iamthejeff.com/post/32/the-best-way-to-color-correct-c-41-negative-film-scans Edited November 9, 2018 by AntonioF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
predicolous Posted November 10, 2018 Share #33 Posted November 10, 2018 20 hours ago, AntonioF said: NLP, on the contrary, seems to produce very good results and very quickly. (...) One thing I don't like of inverting files inside LR is that all the commands get inverted/screwed up. That is why I prefer to invert in PS, save to TIFF, import in LR and adjust. Of course, it's just a matter of getting used to a different process. yes indeed, just tried it with my Sony A7ii yesterday and it's really fast and performing great in terms of colors! Also B&Ws are great, too. If you check "Tif-Copy" before closing the NLP-Plugin you will get a virtual copy in which all the sliders & commands work like they should : ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted June 13, 2019 Share #34 Posted June 13, 2019 Just read this on the Emulsive.org site:- Color drama: Negative Lab Pro… Finding the right workflow for scanning color film at home Interesting comparison and a very clear outcome (for the author). Anybody regularly using NLP (now at v2.0) ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatihayoglu Posted June 13, 2019 Share #35 Posted June 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Keith (M) said: Just read this on the Emulsive.org site:- Color drama: Negative Lab Pro… Finding the right workflow for scanning color film at home Interesting comparison and a very clear outcome (for the author). Anybody regularly using NLP (now at v2.0) ? I do and am very happy with the results, sure sometimes the colors might be slightly off but then very easy to correct. Now v2, I’m quite sure it is better. Over the weekend, I’m planning to scan 2 rolls to see the results. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted June 22, 2019 Share #36 Posted June 22, 2019 If I scan a colour negative with the Flextight I can trust the associated software (FlexColor) to get the colours right. But if I use the Nikon 9000 with VueScan, the best plan is for a raw scan and ColorPerfect in PS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted July 10, 2019 Share #37 Posted July 10, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 4:13 AM, Keith (M) said: Just read this on the Emulsive.org site:- Color drama: Negative Lab Pro… Finding the right workflow for scanning color film at home Interesting comparison and a very clear outcome (for the author). Anybody regularly using NLP (now at v2.0) ? I use it quite regularly prefer the DSLR scans to my VueScan Nikon scanner Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted July 15, 2019 Share #38 Posted July 15, 2019 Hi Pete, thanks for posting about this plugin. I don't use Lightroom but I am all in favour of ways to enable people to use film and to do so easily. My few observations are only that, as we all know, colour negatives are so malleable in post and that it is not very easy to arrive at "correct" colour. In many applications it is possible to use an eyedropper tool to click on something average grey, i.e. that has identical R G and B values. I use this as a starting point for colour editing in Adobe Camera Raw which is my preferred editor, unless I need to do selective processing in Photoshop. I use ColorPerfect to invert C41 as an "as good as possible one-click solution" because it is good enough for me. I use this with my Flextight X1 actually even though it's possible, as Chris says, to get very accurate colour with Flexcolor. Old habits die hard. br Philip On 11/3/2018 at 12:41 PM, Stealth3kpl said: I wish there were a video about how to do that sort of thing, Steve, hint hint. What do I use to measure the -10 cyan? And where's the white neutralizer in color efex? Pete 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted August 14, 2019 Share #39 Posted August 14, 2019 I tried it and found it to give satisfactory results. The key to get correct colors is to do first WB using the unexposed part of the negative before the conversion. After that default settings worked for me. I used M240 and BEOON. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Bedford Posted September 10, 2019 Share #40 Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) I've tried to use this on negatives I've scanned with the Pakon F135+ in raw mode and I have never been able to come close to those Pakon results (the default NLP result is way off with severe green colour casts). Frankly, I've probably wiped a year off my life from self-induced stress relating to trying to DSLR scan C41 negatives myself lol. How the heck did they ever get them to print in the darkroom?! I thought my software engineering background would give me a head start but nope. I wish Kodak would produce a new higher-resolution Pakon and be done with it. /rant Edited September 10, 2019 by Nick Bedford 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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