oldwino Posted October 24, 2018 Share #21 Posted October 24, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) When these cameras get to costing $10K, then I’ll buy one. None of the cheap stuff for me! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jto555 Posted October 25, 2018 Share #22 Posted October 25, 2018 Why? Why waste the development money? I feel Leica would have been better off improving the flash intergration with their systems. Try shooting off camera flash in sunny conditions. Max sync speed is 180/sec. Use the Leica SF 60 for HSS, you won't fill a modifer (in the sun) with it. Here is my other rant. Shoot with the EVF and fire a flash at the same time. Why use an EVF? To nail focus at wider appatures and with longer lenses. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr No Posted October 25, 2018 Share #23 Posted October 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, jto555 said: Why? Why waste the development money? I feel Leica would have been better off improving the flash intergration with their systems. Try shooting off camera flash in sunny conditions. Max sync speed is 180/sec. Use the Leica SF 60 for HSS, you won't fill a modifer (in the sun) with it. Here is my other rant. Shoot with the EVF and fire a flash at the same time. Why use an EVF? To nail focus at wider appatures and with longer lenses. Exactly my thinkings also. No EVF and flash at same time on a camera with unreliable framing and lenses that block the viewfinder is an issue I would sort out before a pretentious film lever. This is exactly the frustration with Leica not for photographers but for cabinets? Eck! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
didier Posted October 25, 2018 Share #24 Posted October 25, 2018 And now expecting a M10-D Monochrom 😜 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martynside Posted October 25, 2018 Share #25 Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) I made the contrary, after a great delusion for sensor corrosion policy I abandoned digital bodies (with transport lever or not). I came back to my reliable M-3, I modify her hinge back putting a false lcd screen on it ! Very cool. I'm very happy it looks like a dream true digital M-3 and every time I buy A roll film I automatically have 36 new sensor for about 5,0 €uros. Pit Edited October 25, 2018 by martynside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
schattenundlicht Posted October 25, 2018 Share #26 Posted October 25, 2018 23 hours ago, Dr No said: "Digital heart Analogue Soul" Bad decisions made worse with cheesy marketing. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxx71 Posted October 25, 2018 Share #27 Posted October 25, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't know why but the M7 looks and feels better and gives me the analog "feel" 100% better. Hmmm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 26, 2018 Share #28 Posted October 26, 2018 15 hours ago, Dr No said: Exactly my thinkings also. No EVF and flash at same time on a camera with unreliable framing and lenses that block the viewfinder is an issue I would sort out before a pretentious film lever. This is exactly the frustration with Leica not for photographers but for cabinets? Eck! CL? SL? M240 (with grip and TTL cord)? Seems like the M10 is the wrong camera for that purpose..... Kind of like complaining it's no good underwater.... Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted October 26, 2018 Share #29 Posted October 26, 2018 4 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: CL? SL? M240 (with grip and TTL cord)? Seems like the M10 is the wrong camera for that purpose..... Kind of like complaining it's no good underwater.... Gordon Gordon, I think you will find most cameras are no good underwater. I did not change to the M10, as I am using the grip and SCA contraption so I could fire the flash while still using the EVF. Why not at least put a PC socket into the body of the M10? Leica have done so on all the film cameras. Why remove a need function? I suppose it is a bit like removing the screen on a digital camera... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr No Posted October 26, 2018 Share #30 Posted October 26, 2018 6 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: CL? SL? M240 (with grip and TTL cord)? Seems like the M10 is the wrong camera for that purpose..... Kind of like complaining it's no good underwater.... Gordon I am not agreeing only because M240 had perfect solution for it. Why they remove it? Will M240 continue to be developed? I am hearing it is discontinued? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 26, 2018 Share #31 Posted October 26, 2018 14 hours ago, jto555 said: Gordon, I think you will find most cameras are no good underwater. I did not change to the M10, as I am using the grip and SCA contraption so I could fire the flash while still using the EVF. Why not at least put a PC socket into the body of the M10? Leica have done so on all the film cameras. Why remove a need function? I suppose it is a bit like removing the screen on a digital camera... And yet the M-D sold well. So did the Monochrom. Leica seem to make successful products despite what "we" think they should make. I still have my M240 and SCA bracket. But I never use it. The SL body is almost exactly the same size shape and weight as an M240 with the grip and EVF. The 240 is bigger with the SCA bracket attached. If you want an EVF an flash then the SL is the best tool for the job. Much better than the 240 ever was. Have you If not you might be pleasantly surprised how well it serves that function. Almost no one uses a PC socket anymore. Most flashes don't have them either. And it would make the camera bigger. The "majority" seem to like the smaller less complex M10. It would be interesting to see how many M240's they sell new now the M10 is here. Probably very few. Leica also seem to be putting more differentiation between the SL/CL and M systems. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 26, 2018 Share #32 Posted October 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Dr No said: I am not agreeing only because M240 had perfect solution for it. Why they remove it? Will M240 continue to be developed? I am hearing it is discontinued? I found the grip/cord solution clunky. Far from perfect. Originally I bought the SL to get rid of that set up. Each to their own though... Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted October 30, 2018 Share #33 Posted October 30, 2018 On 10/26/2018 at 9:17 PM, FlashGordonPhotography said: And yet the M-D sold well. So did the Monochrom. Leica seem to make successful products despite what "we" think they should make. I still have my M240 and SCA bracket. But I never use it. The SL body is almost exactly the same size shape and weight as an M240 with the grip and EVF. The 240 is bigger with the SCA bracket attached. If you want an EVF an flash then the SL is the best tool for the job. Much better than the 240 ever was. Have you If not you might be pleasantly surprised how well it serves that function. Almost no one uses a PC socket anymore. Most flashes don't have them either. And it would make the camera bigger. The "majority" seem to like the smaller less complex M10. It would be interesting to see how many M240's they sell new now the M10 is here. Probably very few. Leica also seem to be putting more differentiation between the SL/CL and M systems. Gordon Yes you are right, but surely a better flash implementation is not that hard for a company like Leica. Even franchse out the flash protocalls to the likes of Profoto or even beter (for me) Godox. If I could get HSS with 3rd party flash units I would not be complaining. At the moment the flash implementation on ALL Leicas is crippled, bar the S at is has leaf shutter lenses. As for the EVF and using a flash, well I can and do work arount that issue. I just wish I did not have to. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted October 30, 2018 Share #34 Posted October 30, 2018 On 10/26/2018 at 7:36 AM, jto555 said: Why not at least put a PC socket into the body of the M10? Leica have done so on all the film cameras. It bugs me as well. But I feel I am in the minority here. At least looping through the PC contact to the Visoflex somehow. It transforms the M into a monster anyway. But well - may well be the raison d'être for the SL. Leica and Flashes ... 😂 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 30, 2018 Share #35 Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, jto555 said: Yes you are right, but surely a better flash implementation is not that hard for a company like Leica. Even franchse out the flash protocalls to the likes of Profoto or even beter (for me) Godox. If I could get HSS with 3rd party flash units I would not be complaining. At the moment the flash implementation on ALL Leicas is crippled, bar the S at is has leaf shutter lenses. As for the EVF and using a flash, well I can and do work arount that issue. I just wish I did not have to. I’d love Godox compatibility as well, although I’d still be in manual. However, Leica seem to want to keep things Leica branded to maximise profitability. Even the Nissins are not available outside Leica branded units and at extra cost. It’s the wrong strategy as opening the protocols would tempt more people into the Leica ecosystem. But as always Leica tread their own path. The L alliance may help. There will be more interest in the L mount cameras and although Panasonic will use the 43 protocols maybe Leica numbers will increase enough to make it worth the effort of Godox to do some programming. Gordon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 30, 2018 Share #36 Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: [...] Leica seem to want to keep things Leica branded to maximise profitability. Please consider that at this time Leica might be imposing constraints to eventually make their WiFi perfectly compatible with their cameras. Why would they do anything else? Edited October 30, 2018 by pico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted October 31, 2018 Share #37 Posted October 31, 2018 6 hours ago, pico said: Please consider that at this time Leica might be imposing constraints to eventually make their WiFi perfectly compatible with their cameras. Why would they do anything else? WiFi? Do you mean wireless flash? If so that’s not the case. Leica even stste in their own literature that the SF60 will work within the Nissin ecosysytem. So their not using anything special. They’re just working with brands that will let only a Leica branded model be compatible. If it were for compatibility only then Nissin would be allowed to sell the SF60 under the Nissin brand as well. Possibly at the same price as the other i60 units. It’s profit driven, pure and simple. Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 31, 2018 Share #38 Posted October 31, 2018 10 hours ago, FlashGordonPhotography said: WiFi? Do you mean wireless flash? Guess I should have written WLAN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HELM Posted October 31, 2018 Share #39 Posted October 31, 2018 2 hours ago, pico said: Guess I should have written WLAN. I may be mistaking your WLAN comment but > Wifi for a wireless LAN is based on standard (802.11 ... a, b, g, n etc) and I'm 99.9997% sure Leica does not have the resources to design their own networking HW and SW - Or even have the required implementation knowledge of the ISO layers 🙂 - so that means they will leverage a suppliers design. Like everyone else who is not a major semiconductor player. What you allow people to access within your network is then a security and/or API question. They could decide to allow others to read/download images but not change camera settings for example. I think they would be greatly served by letting other applications download images (think wifi card-reader) via wifi. Lightroom CC on my phone > import images directly as an example, no reason to make that a 2 App process (Start Leica Fotos, select camera then "Share" to LR app) So there are layers to being "open" they can choose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevez4 Posted November 1, 2018 Share #40 Posted November 1, 2018 On 10/25/2018 at 11:30 AM, didier said: And now expecting a M10-D Monochrom 😜 I wish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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