Used M-P240 w/2 lens or Used M10 w/1 Lens

[dids_c]

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M10.  I had the m240 and the IQ (low light) just did not cut it for me.  I am very satisfied with the IQ from the M10.  In addition the smaller size makes me feel like I have the M6 in my hand.  I don't care for video, especially the video in the M240.  

[Einst_Stein]

1 hour ago, dids_c said:

M10.  I had the m240 and the IQ (low light) just did not cut it for me.  I am very satisfied with the IQ from the M10.  In addition the smaller size makes me feel like I have the M6 in my hand.  I don't care for video, especially the video in the M240.  

Do you have pictures from the two to show what you mean?

[Paulus]

Am 22.10.2018 um 21:46 schrieb Eikyo09:

Hello! I'm Getting into the M system and based on my budget I can roughly buy one of these two options:

1) Used M-P 240 with a 28mm Elmarit and a 35mm Summarit

2) Used M10 with 35mm Summarit

If you had to chose one today what would it be? 

My field of work is doc photography and photojournalism and need a non obtrusive camera that'll be good for the next 4-5 years. This will be paired with my DSLR with the standard zooms. 

Thanks in advance

 

I have an M240 with a lot of lenses. I will not trade my M 240 + lens for an M 10. Because the lenses are to precious to me and stay like this. I have almost €0,- lost on my lenses and lots of € on my bodies. If I were new and had to start, I would start with an M10 and a summicron 50mm. An ideal one lens combination I think, just to learn the craft. 

[Ko.Fe.]

M10 and 35 or 28.

35 and 28 are not so much different. And both are slow. M10 will compensate luck of large aperture.

[t00l1024]

I recently make the change from a M240 -> M10. I loved my M240, but had a great opportunity to get a M10 and jumped on it. Now I'm wishing I'd done it earlier. The M10 appears much faster, larger viewfinder, much simpler button layout, and.... WiFi (although admittedly haven't played with the feature that much). It feels like a very different (better) camera.

No doubt the M10 would be my suggestion, despite the amazing deals on M240's right now. Get one lens, either a 28/35 or 50, depending on how close you like to get to your subjects. I have the 50 lux glued to mine, but would be just as happy with a 50 cron or 40 cron (CL).

[jeff_m]

Since I have to follow the rules as stated I would pick #1. When shooting for clients I want options. 2 lenses give me more options. Some say one lens and just move closer or farther away. I disagree, a scene that requires a 28mm I use a 28mm, 35mm for a 35mm scene. I buy Leica’s for the lenses. Vision is more important than equipment but I have vision that can handle more than one lens. 

[MarkP]

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On 10/25/2018 at 7:52 AM, ru2far2c said:

I'd go with the M10 + 35mm. You can always pick a used 28 or 50 later on if you feel the need.

I've had the M240 and now have the M10.  I agree with the suggestion of M10 and 35mm Summarit. Use it and get to know it. Your second lens choice may be different when you're ready to get it.

Edited November 10, 2018 by MarkP

[LocalHero1953]

Gadgeteers look at the camera and go for the latest shiniest. Photographers look at the lens. (Ducks and runs for cover).
Get the M240 and save your money for the lenses. There's not enough difference in IQ from the M10, unless you're always shooting in low light and high ISO.
You can sell the M240 when something that makes a real difference comes along. You'l lose money, but not as much as with the M10.
Lenses are for the long term.

[Paulus]

What you also can do is buy the Cheap M 10 with the same guaranty.

 

See:https://www.meister-camera.com/de/produkt/7070/leica-m10-silbern-verchromt

 

 

 

 

 

[enboe]

I'd vote M10 + 28/2.8/ASPH-I or M10 + 35/2.5 or 35/2.4.  The 28/2.8/ASPH-I was released as a companion to the M8 and is available for a good price.  Do you need the extra field of view?  If not, then the original plan of the M10 + 35 is the way to go.  Don't worry about the back screen unless you are really hard on gear or hav extreme shooting conditions.  Gorilla glass is tough.

M240/262 cameras are great tools, but are already 6 years old now.  They will likely hit an end of life cycle for parts availability 5-6 years sooner than the M10.

Have fun shooting and tell us a bit more about your photographic projects.

Eric

[colonel]

The key issue for me is that the M10 is the same weight so no advantage

it also has less battery life and no video which is useful occasionally

the m-p is likely to be close to half the price, so I would go for the  M-P every time

if it’s was a M10-P a different story as the quieter shutter is desirable

[sblutter]

I've had my 240 since a year it after came out - getting up to 6 yrs old and going strong.  Was a BIG upgrade from M9P, which sold @ 50% of new

I'd take the 240 with the 2nd lens - then upgrade to the eventual used M11 a couple of years into it's cycle.  I saw no point buying the same sensor in M10

My pattern is upgrade when used is about 50 - 70% of new.  That helped me acquire a large collection of lenses, large format printers (1 color, 1 B&W) archival paper & ink comfortably.  Can I afford new?  Sure - but that's not the point.  All technology gets superseded rather quickly - and most Leica shooters are very careful with their equipment - low downside risk.

That said, you're going to love whichever you choose.  Happy shooting!!

[silverchrome]

Used M240s are a bargain at the moment and will do nearly everything that the M10 does at nearly half the price, so if it were me, I'd go for that.

Fast lenses will make up for the poorer high ISO performance of the M240, and having more than one lens will also give you more flexibility and allow for more creativity, which will most likely add to the overall user experience.

 

 

 

[silverchrome]

On 11/10/2018 at 3:46 PM, enboe said:

I'd vote M10 + 28/2.8/ASPH-I or M10 + 35/2.5 or 35/2.4.  The 28/2.8/ASPH-I was released as a companion to the M8 and is available for a good price.  Do you need the extra field of view?  If not, then the original plan of the M10 + 35 is the way to go.  Don't worry about the back screen unless you are really hard on gear or hav extreme shooting conditions.  Gorilla glass is tough.

M240/262 cameras are great tools, but are already 6 years old now.  They will likely hit an end of life cycle for parts availability 5-6 years sooner than the M10.

Have fun shooting and tell us a bit more about your photographic projects.

Eric

Parts availability is certainly an important factor to consider when purchasing but I think the high cost of Leica's labour charges somewhat diminishes its advantage.

Personally, with a cheaper camera, I'd be prepared to write it off in the event of an expensive repair quote, but for something more expansive I'd feel obliged to pay for the repair.

Edited November 30, 2018 by silverchrome

[a.noctilux]

Considering cost is not the main factor, I think.

When the repair cost can be high, but if one is "attached to the gear" and "like it", the repair cost can be well accepted.

Maybe this same gear can not be purchased anymore.

My experiences went in those two choices over time :

high repair cost but not replaceable by other gear, and the "paper- weight" * route for some two costy to repair.

 

* not really, sold or given for parts (I don't need more paper-weight 😏)

[marcelography]

skip the summarit. get a 2nd hand cron or lux. 28 and 35 are too close. maybe 28 and a 50, or just a 35,