wlaidlaw Posted December 14, 2018 Share #21  Posted December 14, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) 28 minutes ago, jerzy said: Wilson, firstly apology for my limited english vocabulary... And I was not very precise when describing where the black dots come from. Yes, rubber deteriorate, becomes sticky and when shutter is released, curtain is wound over the drum touching the rubber which sticks to the red silk. I think that the original red curtain (I've heard that this was pre-war supply from Kodak and Leitz was using it in a wartime when black curtains supply was out) had one more layer between fabric and rubber, white layer. Possibly to prevent that the rubber goes into fabric and decolours it. You may see this white layer over black rubber on one of original red curtains which i replaced, both sides of the same curtain are shown. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I think I will try some DYIs as you suggested, both variants - red fabric with black paint as replacement for rubber and repaint the black curtain with red fabric paint. The question is when 🙂 Jerzy, I would be happy for my IIIc/f to be your experimental camera for trials of different red curtain materials. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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willeica Posted December 14, 2018 Share #22  Posted December 14, 2018 To try and help, this is my IIIc Red Curtain, shown unwound and half wound for the 'join' details. I think that the darker material in the second shot may be the original material. There is a black spot on the red curtain but it has been just like this for 5 years since I bought it and there is no sign of rubber coming through or light leaks. Despite the obvious weave in this, the material is actually like silk. William Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290545-war-time-3c-with-red-shutter-blinds/?do=findComment&comment=3647209'>More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted April 23, 2020 Share #23  Posted April 23, 2020 Hello, We take advantage of the confinement to take out the old cameras from the cupboards! I took out this grey III C "red curtain" N° 38809X. Normally the "red curtain" were not made any more from N° 379225 I believe. Does anyone have any idea why Leica kept putting up those curtains after 379225? I bought this Leica from a bookseller who found it in a book box he had in his shed for years so I think it's original...and not made after. take care.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290545-war-time-3c-with-red-shutter-blinds/?do=findComment&comment=3959487'>More sharing options...
Pecole Posted April 23, 2020 Share #24  Posted April 23, 2020 In case it could be useful, I had a look to the new lists I drafted about serials in my Fontenelle collection. It confirms what has been said about the limits of serials of bodies with red blind : my first IIIc was serialled 364256 and had indeed a red blind (and also an engraving "Luftwaffeneigentum"). Following bodies were all with red blind : 364743, 365627 (Luftwaffenigentum and Fl.), 367809, 369928, 371314, 372199 (gray paint), 372655, 374493, 375514 and 378487 (engraved P.A.I. for Policia Africana Italiana). One serial in the "limit list" was not IIIc but IIId (delivered to Nippon Attaché in Berlin), but also with red blind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted April 23, 2020 Share #25  Posted April 23, 2020 vor 5 Stunden schrieb PG Black nickel: Does anyone have any idea why Leica kept putting up those curtains after 379225? According to the records from assembly dept from 379226 Leitz switched back to black curtains. But it does not mean that they did not use older stock in a later time. Shutter drums with curtains were preassembled and stocked, it is possible that one set with red curtains was discovered later and why not to use it. your camera could be such case 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted April 24, 2020 Share #26 Â Posted April 24, 2020 Sorry, I forgot to mention the serial of the Leica IIId included in the list of "red blinds" : it is 367308 (with red blind, as expected). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted April 26, 2020 Share #27  Posted April 26, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Pecole, was it 367308 (IIId) which you had? I thought it was 367303. I have a photo of 367303 (maybe from you) but do not have xxx308. As far as I know 367308 was sold by Christie's in 1999. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted April 26, 2020 Share #28  Posted April 26, 2020 It is well the 367308 I had, jerzy. I bought it in April 1984, and Paul-Henry van Hasbroeck told me that the batch 367305-367324 had been delivered to the Nippon Naval Attaché in Berlin in 1944. Il had a red blind, and the six concentric circles on the delay lever head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted April 26, 2020 Share #29  Posted April 26, 2020 It could be the first symptoms of Alzheimer (I hope not!) : I forgot to mention, Jerzy, that I also had a Leica IIId of the other batch (serials 360xxx), the nº360069. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted April 28, 2020 Share #30  Posted April 28, 2020 thank you Pecole! If you would have any photo of 367308 I would appreciate sending me. Btw - 360069 I had in my hands last year, friend if mine from Germany has it now :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pecole Posted April 28, 2020 Share #31  Posted April 28, 2020 Your wishes are orders, jerzy. Here are three photos of my Leica IIId nº 367308. I hope it will satisfy you. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290545-war-time-3c-with-red-shutter-blinds/?do=findComment&comment=3962402'>More sharing options...
jerzy Posted April 28, 2020 Share #32 Â Posted April 28, 2020 great! thank you very much Pecole! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted May 6, 2020 Share #33 Â Posted May 6, 2020 Hello, Sorry, I didn't see that you had answered my question and so I opened a new topic on the subject...thanks for your answers! A big thank you to Pecole and Jerzy. Pecole still has extraordinary cameras ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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