verwackelt Posted March 4, 2019 Share #61 Posted March 4, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I like the design of that camera and the included SSD and the ability to copy the files via Wlan to PC. But these RAW editing on such a tiny screen is what i find totally impractical. It is not calibrated either. So i would check sharpness and the histogram on that screen but all further editing on a hardware-calibrated 27" screen. I do not understand the step back in technology. In the 90th we were happy about the first 17" screens and now everybody tries to compress all dataprocessing on these tiny phonescreens Just for the sake of mobility? I take the time and edit the pictures at home on a comfortable calibrated screen. I do not understand that this step back to miniscreens is seen as a progress… Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted March 4, 2019 Share #62 Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) Just think of it as the first step in editing/processing. At the moment all my photos are in LR CC in the cloud, where I can see, edit and share them. If I take photos on my camera I can either wait till I'm back home to upload them or, if I want to share them immediately, I have to use Leica Fotos to transfer them to LR CC on my phone, and then from my phone to the cloud. I usually do a bit of basic editing in LR CC on my phone (straightening, cropping, perhaps white and black points). Once uploaded to the cloud, I can share them by email, to facebook/instagram, this forum etc, but they are also already available when I get home and can edit them more fully on my desktop and big monitor, or on my tablet. At the moment, the main constraint is the link from the camera to the phone, where Leica Fotos is just too slow and unreliable, as well as being one extra step. The Zeiss potentially removes both constraints - but only as long as the wifi connection is fast, and this remains to be seen. It's the Achilles heel of wifi in cameras, because of their metal construction. It remains to be seen whether the plastic panel on the top of the body is enough to allow a fast and reliable wifi connection. As to whether this is a workflow that you would want to use, only you can decide. If you want to do pixel-level viewing and editing, or produce an exhibition-ready image, then forget it. If you want a camera that fits into Adobe's vision of an integrated workflow between camera, cloud and other devices, this is an interesting option. Edited March 4, 2019 by LocalHero1953 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted March 4, 2019 Share #63 Posted March 4, 2019 But that works only for low res pictures in webapplications like instagram. I do not want to copy my 40MP files via Internet in a cloud. I do not understand the need of a 40MP camera for little webpics. For that purpose a smartphone is sufficient. I have a 40MP camera for producing prints... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 4, 2019 Share #64 Posted March 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, verwackelt said: But that works only for low res pictures in webapplications like instagram. I do not want to copy my 40MP files via Internet in a cloud. I do not understand the need of a 40MP camera for little webpics. For that purpose a smartphone is sufficient. I have a 40MP camera for producing prints... Then don't 'copy your 40Mp files via internet in a cloud'! Others (me sometimes) want to. I use my 24Mp camera for webpics and sometimes for exhibition prints. I also use a (20Mp) smartphone, which can also link to my LR CC image store. No, you do not need 40mp to post to instagram, but I am sure you realise that there are more reasons for carrying and using an advanced camera than just the number of pixels: control of depth of focus, range of lenses, speed of response etc. If, as you say, you do not understand this, that is your privilege. For those that do, Zeiss and Adobe have produced this camera. As I say, it remains to be seen whether it works well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted March 4, 2019 Share #65 Posted March 4, 2019 Yes future will show if that kind of workflow will be established. But then the Internetprovider must invest in better infrastructure for more bandwith to handle such big Data via the web. Nowadays it will work only in bigger cities with some faster Wlan-accesspoints or at home with glasfiber… Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 4, 2019 Share #66 Posted March 4, 2019 The main bottleneck for this workflow is between the camera and the internet: typically 45 secs to download a 24Mp image from my CL - if the link does not fail! My experience is mainly from here in Cambridge and in London, which may not be typical. Once I get the image to the phone, uploading to the cloud via a typical public free wifi in a café is quicker; uploading via a mobile phone data connection is quicker still (but costs more). But another problem with Leica Fotos is that it uses its own WLAN, preventing my phone connecting to the internet by wifi at the same time. So I have to connect to my camera via its WLAN, download images to my phone, then reconnect to the internet to upload them. The Zeiss connects directly to the internet, eliminating this hiatus. You are right in your last comment: if you use the cloud for your main storage, you need a good internet connection at home for all normal editing and catalogue management. Our previous 30Mb/s download speed was fine (we now have 70Mb/s). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 4, 2019 Share #67 Posted March 4, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 2 hours ago, verwackelt said: I like the design of that camera and the included SSD and the ability to copy the files via Wlan to PC. But these RAW editing on such a tiny screen is what i find totally impractical. It is not calibrated either. So i would check sharpness and the histogram on that screen but all further editing on a hardware-calibrated 27" screen. I do not understand the step back in technology. In the 90th we were happy about the first 17" screens and now everybody tries to compress all dataprocessing on these tiny phonescreens Just for the sake of mobility? I take the time and edit the pictures at home on a comfortable calibrated screen. I do not understand that this step back to miniscreens is seen as a progress… you don't have to edit in camera..simply connect the usb cable, transfer to a computer and edit the usual way...don't understand peoples reactions to the in built LR..you don't actually have to use it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted March 4, 2019 Share #68 Posted March 4, 2019 You are right, but i think that Adobe will charge Zeiss license fees for LR and that will push the price for the camera. Zeiss should offer a version without and one with LR to choose… Btw does Zeiss has meanwhile called the price of the camera? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 4, 2019 Share #69 Posted March 4, 2019 Not that I've seen Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 8, 2019 Share #70 Posted March 8, 2019 rumor says $4500 or less Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycym Posted March 18, 2019 Share #71 Posted March 18, 2019 You will need a LR subscription to edit photos in camera using LR otherwise LR will be view only according to my Zeiss contact. it will probably be released in the Summer Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted March 18, 2019 Share #72 Posted March 18, 2019 I don't think Zeiss has thought this through.🙁 Pete. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted March 18, 2019 Share #73 Posted March 18, 2019 Depends on price of the camera. If Zeiss is not trying to compete with high price level like the Leica Q, i like the idea of LR only with an extra paid license. All the people like me that do postprocessing at home on a calibrated creen do not need LR in Camera. May be that keeps the price low. An included license would not. But we will know in summer… Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrycym Posted March 18, 2019 Share #74 Posted March 18, 2019 The sensor is designed and built by Zeiss, the only thing non-Zeiss will probably be the battery and LR of course Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted March 18, 2019 Share #75 Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) I suspect it will be too big and heavy for my interest, but I see no problem with LR in-camera. I might use it for a bit of local editing, then posting to social media directly, bypassing a phone, or any other device. But I like the principle of uploading directly from camera to Lightroom CC, again bypassing phone, SD card or any other device. This is the first time it has been tried in a 'serious' camera, so I wouldn't be surprised if the ergonomics, interface and hardware is not quite there yet. AFAIC it will all depend on usability and speed of uploading. I already have a LR subscription, so that doesn't concern me. They probably needed to develop this with Adobe and LR to start with, to get a partner with whom they can knock out the gremlins of interfacing two different systems. And Adobe CC is the only system at the moment that syncs automatically and simply across devices and the cloud - they've already solved most of the issues. Once it is shown to work, AND that there is demand for it, I guess the next generation will be more brand-agnostic. Edited March 18, 2019 by LocalHero1953 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted March 19, 2019 Share #76 Posted March 19, 2019 12 hours ago, terrycym said: You will need a LR subscription to edit photos in camera using LR otherwise LR will be view only according to my Zeiss contact. that's great...so simply transfer via USB and edit peacefully on the laptop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onca Posted March 19, 2019 Share #77 Posted March 19, 2019 (edited) Am 18.3.2019 um 19:39 schrieb verwackelt: But we will know in summer… I made a phone call to a zeiss engineer last week in Oberkochen. He told me under the hand, that the ZX1 is coming in may. More to read on the zeiss website in the middle of march, he said. About the price, he could not tell any thing. Edited March 19, 2019 by greybear 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted October 24, 2019 Share #78 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) Full specs supposedly leaked, and the Zeiss webpage still shows it, but who knows when it will come, if ever? I really like the look and concept of the camera, but I'm unsure if I'd buy it vs a mint condition Leica Q, or even a Sony RX1r. The internal HDD storage is a nice idea, but is it really worthwhile? And the connectivity via Bluetooth, again, is this going to help me that much apart from being able to send edited images home when I'm traveling? https://zx1.zeiss.com/ https://www.techradar.com/news/zeiss-zx1-full-specs-leaked Edited October 24, 2019 by Archiver Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 24, 2019 Share #79 Posted October 24, 2019 This has always been to main point of the ZX1: sending images home while travelling. This looks like an attempt by Zeiss to determine interest ('sign up to receive more info') before they decide if it's worth making or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted October 24, 2019 Share #80 Posted October 24, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: This has always been to main point of the ZX1: sending images home while travelling. This looks like an attempt by Zeiss to determine interest ('sign up to receive more info') before they decide if it's worth making or not. This camera represents an obsolete concept. Leica, Zeiss and others have to be looking at computational cameras with a full set of communications modes if they are to stay afloat. The mass digital market has voted and has given the thumbs down to stand alone cameras. The game is up. Leica's link with Huawei and its investment in computational research in the US look like very wise moves by Dr Kaufmann and his team. There will be some room for 'exotics' like the M and the Q, but, as for the rest, new directions must be sought out. William Edited October 24, 2019 by willeica 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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