verwackelt Posted January 12, 2019 Share #561 Posted January 12, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) But Leica should be better in communications to avoid that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chaemono Posted January 12, 2019 Share #562 Posted January 12, 2019 vor 9 Stunden schrieb helged: Makes sense. Here is my guess. SL2 to be announced at the latest at this year’s Photokina or at the time of the S1/S1R launch and to be available in September. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted January 12, 2019 Share #563 Posted January 12, 2019 Where is Jono when we need him? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted January 12, 2019 Share #564 Posted January 12, 2019 Probably testing a prototype and giving feedback to Leica. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted January 12, 2019 Share #565 Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Chaemono said: Probably testing a prototype and giving feedback to Leica. Those at Crete or thereabout should know... 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted January 12, 2019 Share #566 Posted January 12, 2019 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Chaemono: Here is my guess. SL2 to be announced at the latest at this year’s Photokina or at the time of the S1/S1R launch and to be available in September. So far i know the Photokina 2019 is cancelled. I hope Leica will announce a SL2 in march when S1 and S1R are launched. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 12, 2019 Share #567 Posted January 12, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 5 hours ago, Tailwagger said: Whatever you call it, its less money in Leica's coffers if one decides to trade their SL for an SR1 rather than wait for an SL2. Yes, but the number of punters going in the other direction (buying a Leica lens for their Panasonic body) is likely to be many times greater. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 12, 2019 Share #568 Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, verwackelt said: So far i know the Photokina 2019 is cancelled. I hope Leica will announce a SL2 in march when S1 and S1R are launched. Correct... https://petapixel.com/2018/12/03/photokina-2019-cancelled-the-now-annual-show-will-resume-in-2020/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted January 13, 2019 Share #569 Posted January 13, 2019 17 hours ago, BernardC said: I wouldn't call a Panasonic sale a defection. It's all within the same system. A defection is when people go to incompatible systems from Sony, Canon, or Nikon. Or go to the Fuji GFX. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 13, 2019 Share #570 Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, ynp said: Or go to the Fuji GFX. The cameras are so different that it's hard to imagine a photographer torn between the two. Do you want an ultrafast 35mm camera system, or a slow, methodical medium format system? In my mind, the people who can't tell the difference have money burning a hole in their pocket. They could also spend it on a Harley Davidson, or a kitchen reno! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 13, 2019 Share #571 Posted January 13, 2019 1 hour ago, BernardC said: Yes, but the number of punters going in the other direction (buying a Leica lens for their Panasonic body) is likely to be many times greater. I hope you're correct, but to my mind its questionable. First, we'll have to see how just many new conquests the SR1 actually generates in what is a shrinking market where there are several other new mirrorless FF offerings. But more importantly, the cost of Leica optics is 3x to 5x higher than Sigma's current crop of Art lenses, which will also soon arrive on scene. I suspect its just as likely that current SL owners will soon be contemplating where its reasonable to fill some of their need at lower cost. Channelling Chaemono's sample 50mm shots, one might reasonably question the value proposition of adding a Summilux, say, vs. adding second body in the form of an SR1 and the Art for roughly the same money. For those new arrivals, outside of a few Otus owning D850 owners, I suspect few coming over from any of the major competitors are currently calibrated for the pricing printed in the Leica catalog. It will take some time before they'll be willing to swallow that hard. My guess is that before they do, they be looking for deals in the used market. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted January 13, 2019 Share #572 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) I find SL and GFX not so different. I had both for a testweekend. Of course one has 24MP and the other 50MP. But the handling is not sooo different The SL is not a special ultrafast sportscamera and the GFX is not such a slow MF-dinosaur like the Mamiya RB67. I like both.... Edit: that was a answer to BernardC Edited January 13, 2019 by verwackelt 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardC Posted January 13, 2019 Share #573 Posted January 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tailwagger said: I hope you're correct, but to my mind its questionable. First, we'll have to see how just many new conquests the SR1 actually generates in what is a shrinking market where there are several other new mirrorless FF offerings. The key thing is scale. Panasonic cameras are sold in almost very camera store on Earth. They will sell 10 to 100 times more units than Leica does. My local dealer is ordering more S1's initially than there are SL's in the city (and they won't be the only dealer carrying the S1). Sure, some S1 customers will stick with Panasonic lenses, some will adapt Otus, or buy Sigma Art. Almost all of them will wonder "how good are these Leica lenses, really?" Whether they buy used or new is immaterial. Used prices support new prices. As-is often the case with Leica, the new price makes more sense when you realize that you get most of it back on resale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 13, 2019 Share #574 Posted January 13, 2019 18 minutes ago, verwackelt said: I find SL and GFX not so different. I had both for a testweekend. Of course one has 24MP and the other 50MP. But the handling is not sooo different The SL is not a special ultrafast sportscamera and the GFX is not such a slow MF-dinosaur like the Mamiya RB67. I like both.... Indeed... http://j.mp/2VP5ik5 The little brother, though wider and deeper, is not as tall nor as heavy as the current SL. Regardless, such decisions tend to be far more complicated and, at least for the thoughtful, come down to a variety of factors. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laowai_ Posted January 13, 2019 Share #575 Posted January 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, BernardC said: The key thing is scale. Panasonic cameras are sold in almost very camera store on Earth. They will sell 10 to 100 times more units than Leica does. My local dealer is ordering more S1's initially than there are SL's in the city (and they won't be the only dealer carrying the S1). Sure, some S1 customers will stick with Panasonic lenses, some will adapt Otus, or buy Sigma Art. Almost all of them will wonder "how good are these Leica lenses, really?" Whether they buy used or new is immaterial. Used prices support new prices. As-is often the case with Leica, the new price makes more sense when you realize that you get most of it back on resale. Does Leica get royalties every time a L-mount camera/lens is sold? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 13, 2019 Share #576 Posted January 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, laowai_ said: Does Leica get royalties every time a L-mount camera/lens is sold? Almost certainly. This isn't open source, one rarely licenses technology for free. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted January 13, 2019 Share #577 Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, BernardC said: In my mind, the people who can't tell the difference have money burning a hole in their pocket. They could also spend it on a Harley Davidson, or a kitchen reno! Yeah. Indeed. We are talking cameras and suddenly some board member mentions a Harley Davidson. People have different wants and needs. Some remodel their kitchens, Some buy exotic cars. Some drive a bicycle. So what? 😀 About the holes and the pockets : this crazy man spends on fuel for a regular boating season something around the price of a MF system. I have just make a run from Phuket to Langkawi and back singlehanded on my Zodiac Milpro and the fuel bill was around the price of a nice Leica lens. And off course, this person has no clue and cannot tell the difference, after all the hole in the pocket got so expansive .😜 Seriously, I don’t see a big difference between the SL and GFX, both are the EVF cameras and both are pretty fast. I like the S more than anything else Leica does and I plan to stay with my S2-P. I have had an SL for a while and got rid of it. Too heavy for what’s it is. But really, what do I know?😎 Yevgeny Edited January 13, 2019 by ynp 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted January 13, 2019 Share #578 Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Tailwagger said: Indeed... http://j.mp/2VP5ik5 The little brother, though wider and deeper, is not as tall nor as heavy as the current SL. Regardless, such decisions tend to be far more complicated and, at least for the thoughtful, come down to a variety of factors. An interesting comparison, and I added the GFX 50R to see. The GFX 50S is a bit skewed in that the prism normally stands higher, or am I mistaken? Gary EDIT:, Darn, went and added the X1D, it's the smallest of the lot!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 14, 2019 Share #579 Posted January 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Tailwagger said: Almost certainly. This isn't open source, one rarely licenses technology for free. I doubt whether it is that simple - or maybe it is even less complicated. Leica and Panasonic have an extensive technology sharing contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 14, 2019 Share #580 Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, jaapv said: I doubt whether it is that simple - or maybe it is even less complicated. Leica and Panasonic have an extensive technology sharing contract. Who knows, and of course there is Sigma as well. But I doubt they simply handed the technology over without some sort of quid pro quo. Edited January 14, 2019 by Tailwagger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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