dkCambridgeshire Posted June 20, 2018 Share #561 Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) This reminds me of those predictions of the end of the world which occur from time to time. When the due date has come and gone Doomsday is simply rescheduled. Brilliant !! And all the Leica rumours could well be 'the lizards' at work If lizards control the world they also control Leica and Leica Rumours dunk Edited June 20, 2018 by dkCambridgeshire 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bags27 Posted June 20, 2018 Share #562 Posted June 20, 2018 Perhaps the individual who spent the most time and effort trying to predict the apocalypse through his readings of Daniel and Revelations was....the greatest scientist since Aristotle, Isaac Newton. He didn’t publish his findings for fear of losing his position at Cambridge but his voluminous notebooks survive. Very,very rational people can be driven by irrational ideas. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frame-it Posted June 20, 2018 Share #563 Posted June 20, 2018 or it could have a variation of this baby tucked away inside https://ams.com/-/high-resolution-high-speed-cmos-image-sensor-for-machine-vision-systems-goes-into-mass-production Maybe it's just another watch, but with integrated super high res spy camera (naturally with manual focus and dof scale built in). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgdinamo Posted June 20, 2018 Share #564 Posted June 20, 2018 Perhaps the individual who spent the most time and effort trying to predict the apocalypse through his readings of Daniel and Revelations was....the greatest scientist since Aristotle, Isaac Newton. He didn’t publish his findings for fear of losing his position at Cambridge but his voluminous notebooks survive. Very,very rational people can be driven by irrational ideas. It's great to hear it's possible to be very, very rational person, in spite of entertaining irrational ideas where famous camera companies would focus on releasing cameras instead of watches. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted June 20, 2018 Share #565 Posted June 20, 2018 or it could have a variation of this baby tucked away inside https://ams.com/-/high-resolution-high-speed-cmos-image-sensor-for-machine-vision-systems-goes-into-mass-production That sensor alone costs c.$4000 each. Even assuming a deep discount for high volume purchase, it’s easy to see why cameras could cost so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted June 20, 2018 Share #566 Posted June 20, 2018 This is probably totally wrong but fun. So, let’s take it further. TowerJazz could act as the foundry for that CMV50k derivative. After all, they did produce the CMV12000 for CMOSIS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyring Posted June 20, 2018 Share #567 Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) lighter? How did you come up with that... couldn't take my lens off of mine Neil Well, just sit your Q on the table. It will lean forward. That tells you that the centre of gravity must be forward of the front edge of the camera, and the lens is therefore heavier than the body. Together they weigh 640g, so it follows that the lens itself must weigh at least 320g. The Samyang lens I have on my A7ii is listed at 80g, and is thus lighter than the Q's lens. Q ED Edited June 20, 2018 by Skyring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted June 20, 2018 Share #568 Posted June 20, 2018 I’m sure your Samyang does weigh less. And I am no physicist, but I sense that just because the Q tips forward doesn’t prove that the lens weighs more than the body. The lens extends far beyond the center of the mass and I suspect that gives it leverage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted June 20, 2018 Share #569 Posted June 20, 2018 Bought the tickets for the Photokina expo and booked the hotel. I hope some new Leica cameras will be presented and there will be a lot of non-Leica systems to choose from. And the situation with the Soo8 shall be clearer. I am tired of speculations a bit, to be honest. Won’t be spending any camera money before the end of September anyway. Yevgeny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 20, 2018 Share #570 Posted June 20, 2018 I think Photokina is a safe bet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyring Posted June 21, 2018 Share #571 Posted June 21, 2018 (edited) I’m sure your Samyang does weigh less. And I am no physicist, but I sense that just because the Q tips forward doesn’t prove that the lens weighs more than the body. The lens extends far beyond the center of the mass and I suspect that gives it leverage. That would only have an effect if we were able to somehow remove the lens from the body. Both would then have different centres of mass. As a unit, there is only one centre of mass, and it is not within the body's footprint. The shape of the lens is immaterial. It could be long and skinny - a metre long, maybe, and the centre of mass would not move a micron so long as the joining point and lens axis remained the same. Looking at some discrete Leica lenses from the 2000s, we have the following weights: Elmarit-M 28mm ƒ2.8 ASPH: 180g Summicron-M 28mm ƒ2 ASPH: 270g Summilux-M 28mm ƒ1.4 ASPH: 440g - source here. The Q's Summilux 28mm ƒ1.7 would be, all else being equal, on the curve between the cron and the lux with a bit extra for the AF. My estimate of 320g+ is in that region. In fact, if I pile a few extra 50g Q batteries onto the body top, as far bacl on my Thumbsup as I can get, I still can't get it to sit straight, indicating that the lens weight is higher than my estimate. Edited June 21, 2018 by Skyring 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonatdonuts Posted June 22, 2018 Share #572 Posted June 22, 2018 Certainly wouldn't mind a Summilux 28mm... That would only have an effect if we were able to somehow remove the lens from the body. Both would then have different centres of mass.As a unit, there is only one centre of mass, and it is not within the body's footprint. The shape of the lens is immaterial. It could be long and skinny - a metre long, maybe, and the centre of mass would not move a micron so long as the joining point and lens axis remained the same.Looking at some discrete Leica lenses from the 2000s, we have the following weights:Elmarit-M 28mm ƒ2.8 ASPH: 180gSummicron-M 28mm ƒ2 ASPH: 270gSummilux-M 28mm ƒ1.4 ASPH: 440g - source here.The Q's Summilux 28mm ƒ1.7 would be, all else being equal, on the curve between the cron and the lux with a bit extra for the AF. My estimate of 320g+ is in that region. In fact, if I pile a few extra 50g Q batteries onto the body top, as far bacl on my Thumbsup as I can get, I still can't get it to sit straight, indicating that the lens weight is higher than my estimate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyring Posted June 22, 2018 Share #573 Posted June 22, 2018 Certainly wouldn't mind a Summilux 28mm... It is one sweet lens. You basically pay for the lens (judging by Leica's pricing of similar M lenses) and get the camera thrown in for free. And the Q is one sweet camera. It's so good that Leica must surely be working on something similar to mount interchangeable lenses. Without being as pig-ugly as the SL. It was noted above that the 28mm ƒ1.7 lens of the Q was about as small as they could get for the package; a 35mm or 50mm would be bigger and heavier. Whatever. I'll take a very close look at whatever comes along next, that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted June 22, 2018 Share #574 Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) It is one sweet lens. You basically pay for the lens (judging by Leica's pricing of similar M lenses) and get the camera thrown in for free. And the Q is one sweet camera. It's so good that Leica must surely be working on something similar to mount interchangeable lenses. Without being as pig-ugly as the SL. It was noted above that the 28mm ƒ1.7 lens of the Q was about as small as they could get for the package; a 35mm or 50mm would be bigger and heavier. Whatever. I'll take a very close look at whatever comes along next, that's for sure. Love my Q, but of course its lens is worth only as much as the camera itself which will fall behind technologically and operationally. So it’s more like rent the lens and they provide the body for as long as you rent the lens. Edited June 22, 2018 by bags27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgdinamo Posted June 22, 2018 Share #575 Posted June 22, 2018 Love my Q, but of course its lens is worth only as much as the camera itself which will fall behind technologically and operationally. So it’s more like rent the lens and they provide the body for as long as you rent the lens. But which technology can even be significantly improved to make any practical difference on the Q (handling and/or IQ)? I ask this because the Q sensor is also great - it has more than enough pixels (for handheld especially), and also great DR and ISO (all at least as good as M10). The only downsize of such high quality lens pemanently attached to the camera is that when some years down the road Leica stops supporting parts of the camera the lens will be wasted with the camera (hopefully that's at least 10-15 years down the road). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 22, 2018 Share #576 Posted June 22, 2018 But which technology can even be significantly improved to make any practical difference on the Q (handling and/or IQ)? I ask this because the Q sensor is also great - it has more than enough pixels (for handheld especially), and also great DR and ISO (all at least as good as M10). The only downsize of such high quality lens pemanently attached to the camera is that when some years down the road Leica stops supporting parts of the camera the lens will be wasted with the camera (hopefully that's at least 10-15 years down the road). The Q's current downside is that 'dust on the sensor' requires a major and very time consuming (compared to other cameras with non-interchangeable lenses) strip down and reassembly. And only Leica Camera AG in Wetzlar and its official service centres can offer this service. Time involved is several hours. dunk 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgdinamo Posted June 22, 2018 Share #577 Posted June 22, 2018 The Q's current downside is that 'dust on the sensor' requires a major and very time consuming (compared to other cameras with non-interchangeable lenses) strip down and reassembly. And only Leica Camera AG in Wetzlar and its official service centres can offer this service. Time involved is several hours. dunk In that case I feel lucky to live in NJ where there is official Leica center - hopefully they would be able to do this cleaning if needed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bags27 Posted June 22, 2018 Share #578 Posted June 22, 2018 I agree that the Q’s technology SHOULD be acceptable for many years. But if the past 15 years of digital evolution has taught us anything, it’s that human nature demands that we keep up with whatever’s current. I’m just trying to be realistic. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyring Posted June 22, 2018 Share #579 Posted June 22, 2018 Love my Q, but of course its lens is worth only as much as the camera itself which will fall behind technologically and operationally. So it’s more like rent the lens and they provide the body for as long as you rent the lens. True, that. I was looking at Leica's prices for similar lenses, but of course they could be good for decades. I've got a Leica lens from 1967, for example. Fifty years on and it works fine. Much as I love my Q, I suspect that in fifty years time it will no longer be good for frontline photography. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted June 22, 2018 Share #580 Posted June 22, 2018 (edited) Rather than wait for the latest rumors to materialize, I'm going out to shoot with my new M10. Regards, Bud James www.budjames.photography Edited June 22, 2018 by budjames 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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